Newbie 2074 | Game Over

[Val89]

How confident in that are you, Dann?

I'm still basically 50/50; with a razor thin margin towards SM.

As such, this is how I propose we play this - You (Dann) vote me. If either of Ythan or SM hammer me, you take that as a straight up scum claim.

You then outline your case against Ythan, and Leaven asks you any questions he has; once he has asked you all he wants to, and is he knows how he wants to vote between SM and Ythan, he hammers me.

That way, the slot leaven is almost guarenteed to mislim in ELO is flipped and scum loses that victory path, and he gets the benefit of playing the ELO today with your input. I submit that is the best way to a town victory in these circumstances.

[StrangeMatter]

I'm still basically 50/50; with a razor thin margin towards SM.

As such, this is how I propose we play this - You (Dann) vote me. If either of Ythan or SM hammer me, you take that as a straight up scum claim.

I'm sorry, in what way do you even think that Ythan would end up hammering your slot then? I'm pretty sure from his posts that he has me as scum over you, so this just makes zero sense.

[Val89]

I don't expect him to hammer my slot; but if he did, it would be obviously because he wanted to end the day before Dann gets a chance to outline his case - hence it would be a scum claim.

I wouldn't expect you to hammer my slot either while Dann is outlining a case against Ythan, but I put that out there so both of you know not to go and get any funny ideas that could ruin it.

[Dannflor]

mostly I'm freaked on a reread of Gamma's slot by how he constantly has ythan as his 2nd scumspect but never once votes ythan, even when ythan becomes a competing wagon d2

likewise I feel like a lot of gamma's content is pushing or shading ythan but I don't feel ythan that you ever really gave a read on gamma or were trying to solve him? even when you guys were competing wagons it seemed like you didn't really care about solving his slot, it was only when leaven became the leading wagon that you got more engaged

sorry busy right now but there's some other stuff I'll outline later, that's the main thing though

also @Leaven

the best way for us to handle this is to decide together the one slot we think is most likely to be town, then we just eliminate the other two

[Ythan]

even when you guys were competing wagons it seemed like you didn't really care about solving his slot, it was only when leaven became the leading wagon that you got more engaged

Well I mean I was basically gone but you can doubt that.

[StrangeMatter]

I don't think we've ever heard your actual scum read on me right now, Ythan.

[StrangeMatter]

Could you explain your actual read please?

[Ythan]

Val is way townier than you. Just today you tried to out the cop for one.

[Ythan]

The doctor rather.

[StrangeMatter]

And let me guess, you assume I was Power Role hunting?

[Ythan]

You were suggesting that the doc claim for no intelligible reason so yeah it looks that way.

[StrangeMatter]

Because what I thought about that was that scum probably already knows who doctor was at that point so it wouldn't have been much of an advantage either way. Even then if a VT is eliminated there's one in two chance that we'd just end up in the same scenario anyways not assuming scum knows who the doctor is.

[StrangeMatter]

Going to throw in my meta here but I NEVER, hunt PRs like this as scum. I'll never make anything really obvious when it comes to playing scum and that's final.

[Ythan]

If a doctor gets run up today they claim then just like Leaven did. Only scum is advantaged by claiming before that.

^This!!!^

Why claim before that?

We have an advantage if the doctor survives tonight in that the scum will have to fake counter claim doctor, but you're trying to out the doctor today which would mean they can't possibly survive the night.

[Ythan]

Literally yesterday we saw a PR get run up and then avoid elimination by claiming. Your attempt to out the doctor serves absolutely no purpose as town.

[Ythan]

Meanwhile what could be more valuable for you as scum than to find the doctor before endgame?

[StrangeMatter]

And what I’m saying is that this would not be how scum goes about it in any reasonable way in the first place.

[StrangeMatter]

Remember, there’s ONLY one scum left. Why would I essentially put myself as scum in everyone’s head in the first place???

You’re looking at this only by how it benefits scum, and ignoring details that are important.

[Ythan]

And what I’m saying is that this would not be how scum goes about it in any reasonable way in the first place.

Too scummy to be scum?

[Ythan]

Remember, there’s ONLY one scum left. Why would I essentially put myself as scum in everyone’s head in the first place???

You’re looking at this only by how it benefits scum, and ignoring details that are important.

Your defense is that you're acting like scum. That's a shit defense and you're muddying the waters now.

[StrangeMatter]

I’m absolutely done playing this game with you.

[Ythan]

I don't think it's anywhere near out of line to call that a shit defense. All you're telling me is that you wouldn't behave this way because it's obviously too scummy.

[Leaven]

Ive only flipped a half dozen times but warming up to ythan then SM. Does scum!val defend gamma the way he did yesterday knowing he would flip red?

[StrangeMatter]

So I'm coming back to this, Ythan what will happen if I flip green then?

[Ythan]

So I'm coming back to this, Ythan what will happen if I flip green then?

Coming back to this from when? Obviously if you flip green it's Val. What are you getting at?