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[Farren]

Let's agree it applies to both of us being paired with redtea (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥

Can't argue with that.

[redtea]

*shows up late with jamba juice*

[redtea]

i'm posting the shit i was gonna two days ago first, then ill catch up.
the one (1) post i've read since 1388, is dann's right after that one. So take my word if you like that these are my thoughts from that time, except where noted otherwise.

Spoiler: @MT, on flow trap

flow trap #1362
flow has a point. He didn't event try to wagon ich. Could've too, considering ich thought they hammered an absent player.

MT #1363
flow trap was the first to vote though. He's the one who took initiative to pressure with votes, if that's what he were going for. Then unvoted when *others* joined to prevent a lolhammer. In this case he's in the right, this isn't scummy.

(add: MT sees this now; still don't remember there being an actual "push" on ich atp tho)

Spoiler: @MT, on my hell 2 behavior

I wonder if redtea's outburst yesterday means it's redtea/flow/Esooa. Cause actually T3 getting eliminated -> scum being judged -> this gamestate is really bad. Whereas if Dann died, that would have been potentially winning if T3 or Farren got elimed

i understand the strategy here, and maybe it's just my perspective of knowing my alignment, but. I don't see me leading my outburst the way I did if I were pushing for a dannflor elim

instead

of t3. I'm not confident enough in my own ability to sway town (as either alignment) enough to accomplish that just by saying "fuck it vote dann with me or lets hammer t3", and then peace out. If nothing else, I feel that that shows I was fully willing to eliminate either.
fwiw

they also suggested helling Farren so Ich would be prevented from judging him, a few times IIRC.

THAT WAS LIKE OUR FOOLPROOF STRATEGY TO PREVENT ICH FROM PICKING FARREN, THEIR TUNNEL SR, AT A POSSIBLE JUDGEMENT DAY I DIDN'T EVEN COME UP WITH IT

(08/11 addition: actually, im gonna need some explanation on this because this makes no sense. Judgement Day in this particular game apparently is not the end of it, whether the exalted make the right choice or not, right? So how would that win scum the game? With 1 scum in hell, none in heaven? And the exalted getting another chance to hell scum every time they reach parity?

from a town!farren scum!me perspective- as i honestly believed game ended at judgement day, this would make sense, I thought that would end the game. But if we're both scum, would i not *talk to farren about helling him before doing so? And thus learn the actual mechanics for this game? Why would I even bother to pretend i don't know, if those mechanics aren't inside knowledge or anything? And no one else was surprised by the game not ending it seems.)

oh my god finally
VOTE: t3

Oh by the way what did you mean by "finally" here, redtea? Since i mean, we were just restoring the T3 elim that was already going to go through and had only been delayed because of the counterwagon of ur own making

it was already being delayed, and probably would've continued to be if something hadn't changed up. i was worried t3 wasn't gonna get voted despite all around consistent sr's on him. like endless back and forth until it's the last day, people aren't around to vote, maybe scum's up to something, etc. upon reflection, i probably also could've gone "hey farren, mt, you both seem to sr t3, what's the hold up?" but that could've just invited more words on a topic already discussed extensively, and my head was already swimming with words at that point. i know that's just an excuse, but uh... honestly, what's a game if you're not having fun, yeah?
and i mean yeah there's plurality so it could've been fine (irt what we could only suspect of t3's alignment at that point) but who knows.

like i swear up and down it's not that deep

I *feel* like maybe redtea did that whole random push on me to

1. get the game out of the rut it was in, and 2. possibly as a reaction test for people

, notably to see how T3 might react?

exactly, this explains it well.
i wasn't charitable enough to think about testing t3 tho lol
despite my trs on farren and mt i was worried about why the wagon was stalling. Flow kept up his weird t3 "town feel" thing and wouldn't vote. Esooa was.. not here. Didn't feel right.

I'm also taking into account that redtea's reasoning for the push on Dann was fairly reachy.

you're not entirely wrong, but you know, if

I'm

maf, my method checks out all the same

Spoiler: housekeeping

D1 hell wagons at their heights (roughly):

Esooa: T3, NSG, Farren
redtea: Farren, Esooa, T3, Ich
Enchant: flow, Ich, T3, Dann, Farren
T3: Enchant, Esooa, Farren
Farren: Ich, flow, Enchant

you can consider me being on the enchant one btw, since i meant to vote him by end of d1

compiling these i realized i need to talk to, like, other players lmfao

[redtea]

@mod v/a through the 15th

im aware the deadline is coming up so ill still do my best to be present.

[Morning Tweet]

Scum instantly win the game if a judgement day is failed

[Morning Tweet]

So you weren't faking that paranoia abt T3 being hammered then?

[Dannflor]

despite my trs on farren and mt i was worried about why the wagon was stalling. Flow kept up his weird t3 "town feel" thing and wouldn't vote. Esooa was.. not here. Didn't feel right.

i do think atp flow was probably TMIing T3 town so ill give you that i guess

[flow trap]

dannfloor/nsg

this pairing is interesting

ive been nursing a paranoia nsg read since basically her entrance but i think that paranoia was bound to come up at some point this game so im not really giving it any credence until nsg gets a chance to play more

what exactly pinged you about either of our posts?

Ah, someone did pair Morning and Dan

[Morning Tweet]

ya i remember that and it also didnt make sense back then

[flow trap]

t3 faking a scum slip for a joke?

hm never seen that one before

Dan, do you have a sense of humour, why would any scum seriously put themselves at the bottom of the scum pile ._.

[flow trap]

lol

Oh, nevermind then

[flow trap]

all people do in this game is LIE

This statement is a lie, because if it were true it would be a lie, and if it were a lie, it would still be a lie

[flow trap]

if I die here

don't touch esooa

I'm pretty sure farren is town but less confident

Can you explain what you were thinking at the time of this post (If you remember)

[flow trap]

waiting for redtea to come along and be like "WHY HAS NO ONE HAMMERED FLOW TRAP YET? ITS A BIT SUS"

Red pls do this now as a joke

[flow trap]

Ok I isod Dan hoping something would fall into place and I have the exact same read and reasoning ._.

Well, Ive seen more towny comments so it's gone up a bit ig

[Morning Tweet]

flow who u hellin

[redtea]

Scum instantly win the game if a judgement day is failed

omfg i was like "where are you people getting this information??? this

is

what the wiki says v.v

[redtea]

So you weren't faking that paranoia abt T3 being hammered then?

my answer is "no" i was not faking

(also what does TMling mean)

[Morning Tweet]

Does that contradict your view of redtea exaggerating paranoia in order to get something going Dann? Cause I still find it sort of hard to believe i suppose

TMIing is when you give away that you're informed sorta... for example, I think it's possible flow TMIed T3!town, since no uninformed person would defend T3 so heavily yesterday. That's what I'm thinking, anyway

[ManateeDude]

Hell VC3.04

im so tired

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to send someone to Hell

flow trap (1):

Dannflor

redtea (2):

Morning Tweet, Farren

Not Voting:

flow trap, Farren, redtea

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-12 20:00:00)

Mod Notes: redtea V/LA

[/quote]

[Dannflor]

Does that contradict your view of redtea exaggerating paranoia in order to get something going Dann? Cause I still find it sort of hard to believe i suppose

TMIing is when you give away that you're informed sorta... for example, I think it's possible flow TMIed T3!town, since no uninformed person would defend T3 so heavily yesterday. That's what I'm thinking, anyway

eh i mean it sounds like it was a little bit of both?

at the time i found it unbelievable but now that I'm less emotional it still actually makes a lot more sense to me

like ive at those moments of overthinking/paranoia before as town and i feel like *very generally* scum tends towards the status quo even if that status quo is bad for scum

but in this case, i dont think a team of esooa/redtea/flowtrap had to do anything like what redtea did there in order to win? like i think they'd be confident still that ich troje would just shoot farren on an easy town flip like T3. even if esooa goes we're in the same position as today except redtea didn't draw a bunch of attention to themself and can still push me today with more cred?

idk, that's the only thing that makes me a little skeptical that it is redtea/flowtrap exactly because i don think that team would have ever pulled that yesterday for any sort of agenda reason (and redtea's move felt fully agenday). i could see redtea/farren doing that but ehhh

i think ive mostly become more suspicious of flowtrap in particular since i went back and saw that ich troje had flow trap as their singular never-hell/prime heaven slot and there was also like paltry resistance to the ich troje heaven

[Morning Tweet]

UNVOTE:

meeeeehhhhhhhhhh

[Dannflor]

same

[Morning Tweet]

I don't really get how I can still technically see each player as being town when two are scum

My strongest arguments for each are...

Farren's end of day one -> beginning of day two interactions with T3 and Ich.

Dannflor's recent interactions with me and redtea as well as his read on Esooa

redtea's......... baseline towniness i suppose. I agreed with them on stuff repping in

flowtraps........ uhhhhhhhhhh, lostness?

Feels like I'm a bit more established on Farren/Dann o.o

I still don't really know the mechanics behind redtea/flow as a possible team and i dont know if i exactly have the energy to do so

[Morning Tweet]

Oh I suppose for redtea you could argue their behaviour at the end of the previous day makes no sense, especially when they seem to misunderstand judgement day. Maybe they misunderstood something else that led them to believe they needed to do that to win though, I dunno.

Scum!redtea can mislim T3 and hope Farren is judged though, that is true. It is a bit hard to see why scum!red bothers