[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[Dwlee99]

Okay so AW is probably town? On some ISO skimming. I get the vibe that the townread on Guillo was legitimate and not faked cause they were scum partners.

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe in the mason claim, to me is just a reaction test from House, I've done it before.

So I think I might want to look for other people reacting similarly. The way that Robert/Guillo reacted to the mason claim makes me think they had TMI about it (scum might know how the power roles work, for instance) and so I want to look for other people doing something similar

[House]

So what am I supposed to do except defend myself here? There is no other content to react to

There's plenty of existing content to analyze and hunt scum.

mastina is the 'easy' choice to try and push due to her lack of content and the fact her perspective is skewed by lack of information on everything that has happened thus far.

Luke & AW both have quite a bit of content to pore over. Are they town? Are they scum?

Am I wrong on Mara? Is there something damning in Roden's ISO that has been overlooked?

There's plenty to do without waiting to react to the latest accusation or theory. Your focus on dodging elimination over finding the last scum is why I want you deaderized.

PEdit: 2501 is a start, I'll give you that.

[Dwlee99]

inb4 no masonry.

Going by flavor, I think there actually are Masons.

So Roden initially reacts similarly to guillo/Robert to the claim, but then he says this which I think is +town.

[Lukewarm]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

Which is that you have to delve into the reasons for every player being town and delve into the reasons for every player being scum. If a player has absolutely no reason to be scum, then you aren't being critical enough in your evaluation/thinking. Even a player who you can soulread, have strong meta on, have very very strong reasons to be town, isn't immune to this--if you can't see the reasons for that player possibly being scum, you've made a grave mistake, even if the read you have is 200% correct.

The point of this isn't so much to have zero townreads and to scumread everyone, but to engage in more thorough critical thinking, that both gets rid of your biases, gets rid of your preconceived notions, and forces you to analyze more deeply and thoroughly every slot in the game and then weigh them on a scale. So that player who you can soulread and have strong meta on and has strong reasons to be town? After you can see the reasons for that player to possibly be scum, you then dismantle the reasons for why they could possibly be scum by recognizing how weak those reasons are, how unlikely those reasons are, and reestablish how strong the reasons for them to be town are, to solidify them as a slot you should never ever eliminate, at the top of your tierlist from towniest to scumiest.

This feels gross to me.

Like maybe very true at Elo, where we are right now, this looks like trying to enlarge the miselim pool

Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

VOTE: Guillotina
Was half-tempted to vote Roden but I really think this is where people should be voting.

VOTE: Guillo
Okay I guess I'm kind of bored with Roden anyway so I'm fine seeing where this goes.

Here is where I saw it initially. I wasn't going to loudly claim a cop soft. I just joined the wagon silently.

[Dwlee99]

So what am I supposed to do except defend myself here? There is no other content to react to

There's plenty of existing content to analyze and hunt scum.

mastina is the 'easy' choice to try and push due to her lack of content and the fact her perspective is skewed by lack of information on everything that has happened thus far.

Luke & AW both have quite a bit of content to pore over. Are they town? Are they scum?

Am I wrong on Mara? Is there something damning in Roden's ISO that has been overlooked?

There's plenty to do without waiting to react to the latest accusation or theory. Your focus on dodging elimination over finding the last scum is why I want you deaderized.

PEdit: 2501 is a start, I'll give you that.

I know Mastina is the "easy" lim but sometimes that is the one that is just correct. I'm sold on Mara!town right now. Roden and AW seem townie on what I've looked at. Luke time.

[Dwlee99]

I like Luke on associatives with guillo/Robert BUT my one issue is that a lot of it seems to be only after Robert claimed neighbors with Luke. The reaction to the claim did seem genuine but Luke didn't really interact with Guillo or Robert beforehand. I want to check if Guillo was interacting with Luke though.

[Lukewarm]

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

I did not say this?

My shoot list was mastina > dwlee > AW > Mara Which keeps mara out of the people I am looking at until elo

The only people I had more likely to be town were you and roden

In what world does Mara sell out their buddy when nobody is even looking at them as scum?

Mara should be more locktown to anyone else in the game than Roden or I.

Then I guess you and I think about the game differently.

I built up a town read on you all game. I built up a town read on Roden after looking hard over his iso, having repeated interactions with him, and doing a meta dive on him.

Mara was very much sitting at a null read for like 75% of the game, and the only thing that skews them town is pointing out cop soft. Which yes, spewed them town, and in my mind bought them all the way to elo, but does not plant them automatically over my strongest town reads.

[Dwlee99]

There were some but the guillo interactions with Luke feel like scum pleading to townie vibes rather than scum scum interactions.

VOTE: Mastina

I get I don't live to ELO but I hope this just ends the game.

[House]

VOTE: mastina

[House]

... I just lolhammered.


Oops.

[Dwlee99]

Inb4 frog flip

[House]

Inb4 frog flip

I hope not, but at the same time... I kinda won't really feel bad.

Using a PR as a crutch to be a lurksack through the game isn't play I care to promote.

[House]

Mara was very much sitting at a null read for like 75% of the game, and the only thing that skews them town is pointing out cop soft. Which yes, spewed them town, and in my mind bought them all the way to elo, but does not plant them automatically over my strongest town reads.

I mean... fair.

[Angel Warriors]

I GOT MY MOTHERFUCKING PHONE BILL PAID GUYS

IT'S MIDNIGHT AND I PROBABLY NEED TO CATCH UP

*clears throat*

I don't care if we end up dead but

Luke, Marashu, Titus, Roden are never scum

I don't care if we are eliminated but id we are, here is mt OP

game winning string of eliminations that win us the game.

Dweelee ---> mastina ----> house

[Dwlee99]

Titus is dead

[LavosCore]

Vote Count 4.FINAL

mastina

(4)

:

Roden - House - Lukewarm - Dwlee99

Not Voting

(3)

:

mastina - Marashu - Angel Warriors

With 7 players in the game, 4 are required to Yeet unto the Eternal Void .

Yeet achieved with 7 days and 19 hours remaining.[/countdown]

Mod Notes

o.o

Pronouns

T3- He/Him
Angel Warriors - They/Them
Roden - He/Him
ssbm_Kyouko - She/Her
Marashu - He/Him
cyrus62 - He/Him
Lukewarm - He/Him
Robert M Hunter - He/Him
House - He/Him
mastina - She/Her
Titus - She/Her
Gamma Emerald - He/Him
Dwlee99 - They/Them

[LavosCore]

Flip and Flavour

The room fell silent as the final accusations were declared, the air itself became thick with the stench of evil anger as the magics once again took effect, putting everyone in the room deep into sleep.

Nobody knows how long they were asleep for, but each knight recalls being awoken by a strange sensation, powerful magics, perhaps?

As each Knight rose, they saw Queen Leene thanking each knight individually for their services to the Crown and to Guardia.

It soon came clear that whatever magics had been used to shroud this place, were no longer active, and that Mastina was no longer present. It would seem

Mastina, Mystic Goon

was the last of Magus' remaining forces in this place.

The Knights of Guardia with the aid of Crono, Frog and Lucca have driven back the Mystics and earched their Victory!

[Dwlee99]

I was frog!

[LavosCore]

Thanks everyone for playing, this got broken a little easier than I expected with the adventurous claims from scum.

I have learned a few lessons from this, and will be adapting for the future.

I do have the next game planned, CTC II - The Trial which is currently being tweaked and twisted to make sure things go a little better.

Mod Thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12911100
Ded Thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12911011
Scum Thred: (expired on 2021-08-15 10:17:02)

[Robert M Hunter]

Profound apologies to everyone for ruining the game for both factions.

One of you is practically a psychic for guessing what went on in the scum PT, only it was worse than you'd think.

Again I am mortified.

[LavosCore]

Spoiler: Setup Information TLDR

Frog was Doc
Lucca was RB
All abilities were gated by MP cost.

Frog and Lucca Single Techs required 1MP
Dual Tech was the Vig Enabler action, and cost 2MP from both parties.
Triple Tech was Crono's trump card move, and would either outright kill a mystic or create a mechanical IC, at the cost of their remaining MP.

Scum had a factionwise reflexive votesteal that was limited to 1 per day, and Yakra had a bulletproof against he Dual Techs. Triple Tech would've just deleted him.

[Dwlee99]

Gamma - Blocks Guillotina activating the Reflexive Factional Votesteal.
Dwlee - Protects T3
Yakra commands Guillotina to kill T3.

Oh wow.

I was treating my action as t3 being confirmed, and gamma treated theirs as Guillo being scum. Turns out we were both correct.

[Marashu]

GG all - I was thinking around when cyrus claimed that lucca might have been RB, but I didn't want to say anything in case frog was investigative.

[Marashu]

So wow, yeah, mafia can discover PRs that target them. Neat.