Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

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Vote Count 1.2

LicketyQuickety

(2): Astra, T3

MargotRosa

(2): Egix96, LicketyQuickety

Astra

(1): alstroemerial

alstroemerial

(1): Clasko

Not voting

(3): HockeyFan, MargotRosa, Roden

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-20 23:48:00)

Notes:

• Seeking a replacement for Astra.
  
• Clasko is on V/LA until Saturday.

[HockeyFan]

Hey Hockey you should trust me when I say rodentown.

and thats why? i stg if u say "mEtA", I am going to be sad

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm tempted to vote T3 but I don't buy that Margot didn't know I was at E-1. Especially when they already said they knew I was at E-1 and then disguised it like they thought I was at E-2. I mean, I can see it as a derp, but I don't get how/why they already assumed I was at E-1 and then readjusted to thinking I was E-2. IDK why they thought that Astra's vote no longer counted. I'm NOT assuming that Margot was necessarily aiming for a quick lynch (after thinking about it) but I DO think they simply didn't want to unvote me. They seemed to have made like 2? 3? excuses on why they didn't want to unvote me before they did. It just feels like an OMGUS to me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm tempted to vote T3 but I don't buy that Margot didn't know I was at E-1. Especially when they already said they knew I was at E-1 and then disguised it like they thought I was at E-2. I mean, I can see it as a derp, but I don't get how/why they already assumed I was at E-1 and then readjusted to thinking I was E-2. IDK why they thought that Astra's vote no longer counted. I'm NOT assuming that Margot was necessarily aiming for a quick lynch (after thinking about it) but I DO think they simply didn't want to unvote me. They seemed to have made like 2? 3? excuses on why they didn't want to unvote me before they did. It just feels like an OMGUS to me.

I want to know what Hockey thinks of this.

[alstroemerial]

I think that if it’s someone’s first forum game then it could be a reasonable assumption that someone who dropped out of the game had the vote removed.

[alstroemerial]

If I’m processing right, everyone has checked in since Hockey’s claim except for Clasko, so unless Clasko cc’s then we can clear Hockey. So we’ll see tomorrow when the V/LA ends but odds are good.

Mobileposting on today’s catch-up so I’ll be doing shorter posts.

[alstroemerial]

Since I also took issue with a defensive tone in my reads post, I would say that being overly defensive is suspicious because, up to a point, town should be okay with being suspected — it helps other people develop their reads and everyone solve. Scum OTOH are often much more wary about how they’re perceived and more eager to satisfy town or take down any suspicions as soon and thoroughly as possible.

That might be okay in theory, but it simply doesn't work in practice.

Can you explain more what you mean by this?

[LicketyQuickety]

Since I also took issue with a defensive tone in my reads post, I would say that being overly defensive is suspicious because, up to a point, town should be okay with being suspected — it helps other people develop their reads and everyone solve. Scum OTOH are often much more wary about how they’re perceived and more eager to satisfy town or take down any suspicions as soon and thoroughly as possible.

That might be okay in theory, but it simply doesn't work in practice.

Can you explain more what you mean by this?

Nothing I haven't said before. I've been accused of being "defensive" as Town a lot. At first it got me lynched a good amount, but then people realized that was my meta, so it stopped being a tell (at least for me).

[alstroemerial]

Nothing immediately alignment-indicative has come from Egix yet, and

the 'vibes' post on Hockey was a bit 'meh',

but they're making an effort with their recent reads and are looking at alternate angles for them that weren't immediately obvious to me.

For when you come back: are you able to explain why that was?
On that note: I'm finding Alstro's 130 to be meh, mainly because I don't vibe with the reasoning given in the first and last paragraphs.

Do you have any questions about those paragraphs? Or, also, does it help if I add that, in light of recent developments, part of the reason I had Margot so high was I thought she had hinted tracker, so I’m less confident now that I know that’s not the case. Can’t see enough to push to a SL though. As for the last paragraph, it was just some general comment on the wagon?

[alstroemerial]

Re 182: fair enough that it can vary on a person to person basis

[T3]

Hey Hockey you should trust me when I say rodentown.

and thats why? i stg if u say "mEtA", I am going to be sad

He knows exactly what is going on.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: T3

For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

[LicketyQuickety]

Some tasty morsels from that other game:

Yep.

Cn the scum just claim? I'm bored.

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I didn't see it

maybe because of the 60 line walls

T3 why do u TR cows

Honestly just vibes and an earlier towny post.

T3 bored and no reasons for his reads in that game. Meanwhile, in other spots he asks people for their reasons on why he is Scum.

I haven't seen T3 do anything wild yet (other than trusting Roden) and I can't TR him just on that. Here he seems just as bored (or low energy) as that game and he also doesn't really have any reasons for his reads.

(Didn't someone ask T3 for a RL and he didn't provide one?)

[HockeyFan]

I'm tempted to vote T3 but I don't buy that Margot didn't know I was at E-1. Especially when they already said they knew I was at E-1 and then disguised it like they thought I was at E-2. I mean, I can see it as a derp, but I don't get how/why they already assumed I was at E-1 and then readjusted to thinking I was E-2. IDK why they thought that Astra's vote no longer counted. I'm NOT assuming that Margot was necessarily aiming for a quick lynch (after thinking about it) but I DO think they simply didn't want to unvote me. They seemed to have made like 2? 3? excuses on why they didn't want to unvote me before they did. It just feels like an OMGUS to me.

Dont really understand this post as a whole but I think Margot genuinely thought you were at e-2. As for the excuses part or smth, can u link those? The omgus part /may/ be true but I think that comes from newb town, could be wrong? Tldr; Yes they could be scum but dt its for the interaction with u

VOTE: T3


For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

I still have no clue how to read t3 lol. The reason why im willing to TR t3 is that he has a read that /doesn't/ involve meta which I think is town for him?

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: T3

For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

T3 is always low enegry. They have a lot of posts, but they are almost always 1 liners

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm tempted to vote T3 but I don't buy that Margot didn't know I was at E-1. Especially when they already said they knew I was at E-1 and then disguised it like they thought I was at E-2. I mean, I can see it as a derp, but I don't get how/why they already assumed I was at E-1 and then readjusted to thinking I was E-2. IDK why they thought that Astra's vote no longer counted. I'm NOT assuming that Margot was necessarily aiming for a quick lynch (after thinking about it) but I DO think they simply didn't want to unvote me. They seemed to have made like 2? 3? excuses on why they didn't want to unvote me before they did. It just feels like an OMGUS to me.

Dont really understand this post as a whole but I think Margot genuinely thought you were at e-2. As for the excuses part or smth, can u link those? The omgus part /may/ be true but I think that comes from newb town, could be wrong? Tldr; Yes they could be scum but dt its for the interaction with u

I'm talking about this (one of which indicates they knew their vote on me was E-1 [the second one]).

Spoiler:

VOTE: LQ

UNVOTE:

VOTE: LQ e-1

licketys at E-1 lol wtf? I think from Lickety's reactions to being put at e-1 is town+. They arent panicking like scum would nor are they doing damage control(ie giving some last min scumreads to distance from thier maf partner)

Totally misunderstood what e-X rules were. Thought it meant that your vote would only count up to n-1 votes, which meant people couldn't hammer off your vote. I believe the only votes for LQ are Roden, T3 and myself, so I'll correct

VOTE: LQ e-2

Actually, I am at E-1 at this point...

Margot, are you looking for a quick lynch or what?

I thought Astra's vote was scrubbed when they dropped out. If that's note the case, then

UNVOTE:

I try and read every interaction from both perspectives.

Wrt T3 scum read, I expressed some uncertainty as early as 81. Revoted T3 105 but that was equal parts feeling like I wanted to push it a bit more due to uncertainty and part wanting to keep the conversation going to get some reads.

VOTE: T3

For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

I still have no clue how to read t3 lol. The reason why im willing to TR t3 is that he has a read that /doesn't/ involve meta which I think is town for him?

I can't talk about why this is wrong, but it is.

[LicketyQuickety]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

[HockeyFan]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

[T3]

dunno tbh
I was townreading hockey before it was cool to do so

[LicketyQuickety]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

The site meta (which you should know by now) is that when someone gets to E-1, then either someone claims "intent to hammer" and then the person claims, OR if it is too early in the day or something, then you would unvote them so a quick Elim doesn't happen.

What doesn't makes sense is either Margot knew I was at E-1 when they voted me and wanted to unvote me, or they thought that they had to announce I was E-1 with their vote, which still means they knew they were putting me at E-1 with their vote. It gets a little confusing since Margot also voted me as an E-2 vote, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, I can see a world where Margot thought they had to announce me at E-1, but what I DON'T get is why they thought they had to announce I was at E-2. That doesn't make a lick of sense given what I said above.

[HockeyFan]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

The site meta (which you should know by now) is that when someone gets to E-1, then either someone claims "intent to hammer" and then the person claims, OR if it is too early in the day or something, then you would unvote them so a quick Elim doesn't happen.

What doesn't makes sense is either Margot knew I was at E-1 when they voted me and wanted to unvote me, or they thought that they had to announce I was E-1 with their vote, which still means they knew they were putting me at E-1 with their vote. It gets a little confusing since Margot also voted me as an E-2 vote, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, I can see a world where Margot thought they had to announce me at E-1, but what I DON'T get is why they thought they had to announce I was at E-2. That doesn't make a lick of sense given what I said above.

Ok, I got it. Yea its weird but its a super weird reason to SR someone for. Margot unvoted when she realized it was at e-1 which is NAI(but def not smth scum). About the whole thing announcing someone at E-2, I dont think scum even wants to do that so I think i /think/ it comes from a scum mindset, but again not smth u can TR someone for. So, I think margot sits at null rn. Im a bit worried about you tunneling Margot here, what are your thoughts on other players rn

[LicketyQuickety]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

The site meta (which you should know by now) is that when someone gets to E-1, then either someone claims "intent to hammer" and then the person claims, OR if it is too early in the day or something, then you would unvote them so a quick Elim doesn't happen.

What doesn't makes sense is either Margot knew I was at E-1 when they voted me and wanted to unvote me, or they thought that they had to announce I was E-1 with their vote, which still means they knew they were putting me at E-1 with their vote. It gets a little confusing since Margot also voted me as an E-2 vote, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, I can see a world where Margot thought they had to announce me at E-1, but what I DON'T get is why they thought they had to announce I was at E-2. That doesn't make a lick of sense given what I said above.

Ok, I got it. Yea its weird but its a super weird reason to SR someone for. Margot unvoted when she realized it was at e-1 which is NAI(but def not smth scum). About the whole thing announcing someone at E-2, I dont think scum even wants to do that so I think i /think/ it comes from a scum mindset, but again not smth u can TR someone for. So, I think margot sits at null rn. Im a bit worried about you tunneling Margot here, what are your thoughts on other players rn

I'm waiting for T3 to do something *spectacular* and I'm just not seeing it yet. Bringing up site meta and TRing Roden is like ehhh, maybe, but at the same time something feels off since they are not explaining what the heck that is and is just content to say, "Roden is Town." IDK wth that even is... And T3 isn't really giving any reasons for their reads and that's NOT what I know of them.

[HockeyFan]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

The site meta (which you should know by now) is that when someone gets to E-1, then either someone claims "intent to hammer" and then the person claims, OR if it is too early in the day or something, then you would unvote them so a quick Elim doesn't happen.

What doesn't makes sense is either Margot knew I was at E-1 when they voted me and wanted to unvote me, or they thought that they had to announce I was E-1 with their vote, which still means they knew they were putting me at E-1 with their vote. It gets a little confusing since Margot also voted me as an E-2 vote, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, I can see a world where Margot thought they had to announce me at E-1, but what I DON'T get is why they thought they had to announce I was at E-2. That doesn't make a lick of sense given what I said above.

Ok, I got it. Yea its weird but its a super weird reason to SR someone for. Margot unvoted when she realized it was at e-1 which is NAI(but def not smth scum). About the whole thing announcing someone at E-2, I dont think scum even wants to do that so I think i /think/ it comes from a scum mindset, but again not smth u can TR someone for. So, I think margot sits at null rn. Im a bit worried about you tunneling Margot here, what are your thoughts on other players rn

I'm waiting for T3 to do something *spectacular* and I'm just not seeing it yet. Bringing up site meta and TRing Roden is like ehhh, maybe, but at the same time something feels off since they are not explaining what the heck that is and is just content to say, "Roden is Town." IDK wth that even is... And T3 isn't really giving any reasons for their reads and that's NOT what I know of them.

T3 rarely does something spectacular, but I do agree they'd be a bit more gamesolvey as town

[T3]

VOTE: T3

For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

I'm very low energy because this is a stagnant newbie.

[LicketyQuickety]

T3 rarely does something spectacular, but I do agree they'd be a bit more gamesolvey as town

Spectacular was only halfway serious. I meant that he hasn't done something that makes him stick out yet.