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[T3]

You know what?
VOTE: tldoe

The limit does ot exist?

-S

Typo.

[T3]

I remember the dead pt in LN234 saying "huh looks like Titus is scum she sounds weird"
But if you're asking whether Titus did any very strange cases in her recent scumgames, then no.

[Green Cap Boys]

I don't like lilith's reaction to Datisi here. The level of frustration doesn't really feel appropriate, I think town!lilith should logically see why there's fingers being pointed her way. Like I get irl gets in the way or that motivation is low, but low motivation and lack of reads are scum indicative traits so what can you do, people are gonna suspect you for it.

i'm quoting emperor's post but this is aimed at everyone with experience with lilith: does she lose her nerves as scum? like i've been burned enough times by "haha lol emotions are townie" and i'm rethinking back to our interaction and i'm not sure i like it, so if anyone has scum vs town profiles on lilith in their mind, that would be lovely

I hate to say norwee vs green bois looks TvT but...

It looks TvT

>_>

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Twin brother?

That's cool. I have my own thoughts on their off threas discussion of the game

er, what does this mean?

oh god here comes the mastina/bingle discussion i don't wannnaaa reaaad thaaaaat

be back in a bit

-D

[T3]

mastina is tunneling Bingle because meta.

[T3]

I did some research of my own and got nothing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi quit bein lazy and get back to work.

[Dwlee99]

Datisi quit bein lazy and get back to work.

Desk 5

[Green Cap Boys]

i'm having coffee and i'm listening to chill music and you cANNOT MAKE ME

-D

[T3]

coffee sus

[Green Cap Boys]

ok, having read 829 - as far as i understand, there's a simple answer to "there's how I genuinely don't believe that a potionless individual as town would have an ingredient in their role pm." the other sample role pm shows that in order to confirm your role for the game, you not only have to state your alignment, you also have to state one of the ingredients of a potion. however, if you don't have a potion, then you cannot have potion ingredients. assuming schadd wanted to keep at least some consistency within potionful and potionless town role pm's, it makes sense that he'd throw *something* into the role pm, like poison because lol, and have the player confirm that they've read that. and the sample potionless role pm does say to confirm about the broken bottles.

Evidence which adds up.

Bingle got to L-2, and with a fairly high chance of no scum on that wagon.
Bingle's claim is one that is incredibly likely to have come from scum.
Bingle's play here does not match any of his towngames for D1.

aaaagh. the first one was a wagon of mastina, emperor, dwlee, norwee, as seen in 497. we have no way of knowing that's a full-town wagon (i onls have a townread on two of those 4, and even then my townreads can be wrong), but even if all 4 of them are town, that does not prove anything about bingle's alignment. the assumption that scum would definitely have jumped onto a wagon like that is... no.

obviously disagree on the claim being likely to come from scum.

in my skimming i did see some posts about mastina explaining why this is bingle's scumgame, i'll comment on that once i get there. but ugh.

oh wait, it's lower on the same page. something rings wrong about "bingle said he's not amazing at reading anyone here, therefore him having strong reads is scummy" because uh what. the fact itself that bingle is having reads on d1, how is that a problem? like, i'll be the first to say that i don't know bingle's meta that well and i've never seen him as scum, but even without doing any research i remember him having a decently strong townread on me on d1 in that jk9++ game (which, to be fair was over a year ago, but uh, working with what i remember right now).

and something feels really wrong about mastina linking only town games and going "look, bingle was lazy in these 3 towngames, he's not lazy here, therefore he is scum!" because like, if i wanted i'm pretty sure i could dig up three of my towngames where i play differently than here.

up to post 841, suddenly not feeling well atm, be back asap.

-D

[T3]

TLDNE is really just a PoE scumread. RCE's last game was Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic so his meta may have changed a lot. I'll see.

[Green Cap Boys]

Scum should not actually kill a player tonight. Arsonist >> Goon. It's a pretty trivial understanding, but putting their shots into three separate players is better for scum because it denies us information right now and doesn't negatively impact their turns to win.

having played as scum in the last run of this setup, can confirm. this, coupled with the fact that town was aimlessly running around and causing damage, let us have three kills on n2, and town was basically in an unannounced 2v6 lylo on d2.

i'm a bit tired so i'm glazing over the mechwall somewhat, but bingle's plan sounds alright. will let retti know to look over it for me later though.

GCB seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, still town though.

was there a point in posting this?

modorator notes

Please

schadd r u ok

i'm realizing how i'm scumreading both mastina and lilith, and how it would be kinda funny if they were scum together, because it feels like the only think mastina is talking about is how bingle is scum because scumslip, and the only thing lilith is talking about is how mastina is misunderstanding mechanics. if they're really both scum, i really wanna see that scum pt lmao

-D

[Green Cap Boys]

Btw Mastina is town. Like 100% sure now.

why

Mastina put in a lot of effort into this and i woyld do them dirty if i didn’t sheep them here. Especially with how much of an difficulty they had in killing me last game.
VOTE: Bingle
Like i said though, my sus slots are Bingle, Fairy Circle, RCE.

the fuck am i reading

how is effort indicative of anything? does scum!mastina not effort? what's your read on bingle independently of mastina pushing him?

and thank fuck i have arrived to 909

i feel like whenever there's a gap in titus's posting, i start thinking back to it, and start developing a townread of her in my mind. and then she comes back and starts posting again and destroys that townread.

-D

[Green Cap Boys]

like, i'll be the first to say that i don't know bingle's meta that well and i've never seen him as scum, but even without doing any research i remember him having a decently strong townread on me on d1 in that jk9++ game (which, to be fair was over a year ago, but uh, working with what i remember right now).

i went back to this game to check, i ctrl+f'ed "datisi" and "dats" in his iso, i was right that he was strongly townreading me on d1, but he definitely did not make a full blown case about it.

and now i'm annoyed because that game was the last time i got misyeeted because i mostly spent day 2 voting 2 different scum and then a third one got yeeted and i was accused of trying to counterwagon for them and ugh

i'll go back to waiting for bingle's reaction and/or waiting for retti to tell me what to think

-D

[NorwegianboyEE]

how is effort indicative of anything? does scum!mastina not effort?

Yep.

[Green Cap Boys]

what's your read on bingle independently of mastina pushing him?

[T3]

Scum should not actually kill a player tonight. Arsonist >> Goon. It's a pretty trivial understanding, but putting their shots into three separate players is better for scum because it denies us information right now and doesn't negatively impact their turns to win.

having played as scum in the last run of this setup, can confirm. this, coupled with the fact that town was aimlessly running around and causing damage, let us have three kills on n2, and town was basically in an unannounced 2v6 lylo on d2.

i'm a bit tired so i'm glazing over the mechwall somewhat, but bingle's plan sounds alright. will let retti know to look over it for me later though.

GCB seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, still town though.

was there a point in posting this?

modorator notes

Please

schadd r u ok

i'm realizing how i'm scumreading both mastina and lilith, and how it would be kinda funny if they were scum together, because it feels like the only think mastina is talking about is how bingle is scum because scumslip, and the only thing lilith is talking about is how mastina is misunderstanding mechanics. if they're really both scum, i really wanna see that scum pt lmao

-D

Nothing, really. I noticed your absence and commented about it.

[Green Cap Boys]

(currently going through some isos, don't be surprised if there's more seemingly random questions from me later on)

@emperor, could you elaborate on your t3 read?

-D

[RCEnigma]

Have you played with Titus before now? This is literally screaming townTitus

how is this game *screaming* town!titus? i can see a townlean because she does vaguely remind me of some towngames, but i feel like "titus is doing something" isn't a good basis to read her on, so i'd like to hear why you think she's obvtown here (also for my own and everyone else's sanity, i am ignoring the second part of this post)

for the record i really disliked the "t3 is scum because trying to fuck with vca" but i can kinda see it coming from town!titus so whatever.

I was on the fence about committing to defending Titus tbh but after jumping around a bit I'm on board with town in Titus, norwee.

Maybe gcb and maybe emperor.

similar q, why is titus town? and why are these two maybes?

i think i'm thinking t3 is town? maybe it's the fact that i can actually follow his thought process now and it makes at least a little bit of sense, maybe it's the fact that i finally have my "automatically scumreading people with no avatar" bias removed. who knows.

i should at some point go back to my last game with scum!norwee for a sanity-check, but he's not getting yeeted today anyway so i have an excuse to procrastinate on that, yay

bottom of page 32, i need to go do something else for a bit because my brain is refusing to focus on this game further, will return Soon(tm).

-D

I'm too lazy to cut the quote down.

Initially I was looking at Titus' activity and engagement as town indicative. Also Scum!Titus that I remember is way more reactive than proactive which is how I feel Titus is playing here.

For example the hero solve whether you agree or not. Also I noticed before getting into any wagon analysis in 600 I thought they were throwing early wagons out to see what sticks and who bites on what which is less of a scum inclination and not a line I expect scum!Titus to take.

The caveat is like, if Bingle!scum then Titus!scum becomes a real possibility but I don't want to die a slow mechanics death so I won't think about it rn.

Gcb was mostly from the norwee engagements and emperor I had some (not mind meld) like.... We were going in the same direction so the processes were there if that makes sense. Also afaik you're both consensus townread and not high priority to sort today so I'm good just....not doing that too much.

[Green Cap Boys]

is there a reason you're not voting anyone with somewhat little time to deadline? actually, your vote is on your townread, but you get my question.

-D

[T3]

Have you played with Titus before now? This is literally screaming townTitus

how is this game *screaming* town!titus? i can see a townlean because she does vaguely remind me of some towngames, but i feel like "titus is doing something" isn't a good basis to read her on, so i'd like to hear why you think she's obvtown here (also for my own and everyone else's sanity, i am ignoring the second part of this post)

for the record i really disliked the "t3 is scum because trying to fuck with vca" but i can kinda see it coming from town!titus so whatever.

I was on the fence about committing to defending Titus tbh but after jumping around a bit I'm on board with town in Titus, norwee.

Maybe gcb and maybe emperor.

similar q, why is titus town? and why are these two maybes?

i think i'm thinking t3 is town? maybe it's the fact that i can actually follow his thought process now and it makes at least a little bit of sense, maybe it's the fact that i finally have my "automatically scumreading people with no avatar" bias removed. who knows.

i should at some point go back to my last game with scum!norwee for a sanity-check, but he's not getting yeeted today anyway so i have an excuse to procrastinate on that, yay

bottom of page 32, i need to go do something else for a bit because my brain is refusing to focus on this game further, will return Soon(tm).

-D

I'm too lazy to cut the quote down.

Initially I was looking at Titus' activity and engagement as town indicative. Also Scum!Titus that I remember is way more reactive than proactive which is how I feel Titus is playing here.

For example the hero solve whether you agree or not. Also I noticed before getting into any wagon analysis in 600 I thought they were throwing early wagons out to see what sticks and who bites on what which is less of a scum inclination and not a line I expect scum!Titus to take.

The caveat is like, if Bingle!scum then Titus!scum becomes a real possibility but I don't want to die a slow mechanics death so I won't think about it rn.

Gcb was mostly from the norwee engagements and emperor I had some (not mind meld) like.... We were going in the same direction so the processes were there if that makes sense. Also afaik you're both consensus townread and not high priority to sort today so I'm good just....not doing that too much.

The point about Emperor I would think is more likely to come.from town.

[RCEnigma]

i havent voted and deadline is 2 days and some change. in spirit it was on tldne.

[T3]

Would you be willing to vote TLDNE wjith me?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Would you be willing to vote TLDNE wjith me?

you’ve explicitly stated you don’t have any actual reasons to scumread us other than poe. so why are you inviting others to join our wagon?

- lilith

[RCEnigma]

it isnt doing much where its at VOTE: tldne

whats your read on fairy since they're in your poe too, I dont have a read there and i dont have any confidence in reading flea anyway.