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[HockeyFan]

Switching vote to T3 for what is either some wild scummy behaviour, or a galaxy brain townie that will lead us astray anyway.

If we reveal who tracker is, scum knows who tracker is. They also know that, whatever the setup, there is one town PR left, and if they manage to snipe them, they can take out the tracker, who they 100% already know. Town is automatically far more likely to lose both power roles, if chance alone is factored in.

I mean... I'm not immediately sus of T3's suggestion tbh. I understand your POV, & granted it's a good tool to bring a conf-town into late game, but I like the idea of clearing one potential townie D1 to reduce our elimination pool.

Like, Tracker's kinda meh anyway, until there's only one Mafia left and then, at that point, Tracker can start conf-towning the people who didn't visit, kinda like a pseudo-cop, but it's contingent on correctly eliminating Mafia D1 to be fully effective.

I'm not a Tracker, though, to hopefully get the ball rolling but three people have expressed their disdain for the suggestion, or at least questioned the effectiveness of it, so.

Why would u specifally out that you are not tracker. Dont think town does this? Also this post implies that u dont sr t3 so what changed enough for u to vote them in 216?

T3: I'm willing to see how this slot plays out. I'm not prepared to close the door to a T3 D1 elimination. It feels like they're townlocking whomever townreads them at this point, which honestly just puts my back up. It's difficult to discuss this slot due to PR shenanigans.

I think you need to elaborate on this T3 read

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

Lol what, voting someone that you dont even SR. Also if you are voting them, why do u expect them to be a green flip?

I think this slot may actually be scum besdies thier towny ish reads earlier

[HockeyFan]

Hi fellow townies(and T3), hope u have fun this game. Btw @Astra and @MargotRosa, what is your expericne playing mafia.

With that being said,

time to vote mafia

VOTE: T3

Hey there! Never played in forum format, but played a lot of quick chat room format a few years ago after playing a bit with my university drama society, because of course that was a hotbed of RP games

VOTE: Clasko

Piplup is GOAT.

Honestly, having hard opinions on a gen of Pokemon starters that aren't 1 or the most recent one in 2021 is pretty sus.

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: Margot

You're forgetting that the D/P remakes are coming out later this year. Also, "honestly" tell.

P.S. Hockey is town on vibes.

Thanks for pocket vote, will pocket you back

Reads update:
Roden - Slight town lean for 72 and 75, as he feels genuinely annoyed about how scum keep getting away with things, and in the case of the latter post, that shows that he is willing to accept other perspectives instead of just tunnelling.

Margot - Has trended downwards since the beginning, mainly because, since stating that she had an "Absolutely scum read on T3" in 53 (if you'll pardon the grammar mistake), she has kept walking it back (56 "I'm not saying T3 is definitely scum.", 88, 96). Her recent mixup is a counterpoint, but it feels like as soon as Clasko posted 55, she realised that her T3 push would not be as viable as she thought.

Quickety - 69 is mildly pinging me because it feels like the last two lines were slapped on just so that the post wouldn't be a one-liner. There's also 47, but that one feels more thonk-y/weird than actually scummy.

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I would be interested in seeing if Alstro or Clasko have anything to add currently.

Intresting set of reads here tbh, I dont think I like any of them? Can you give /another/ reads update @egix, k ty

Same question to you as I had to Turtwig: Any of my reads you vibe/don't vibe with?

I'm not really seeing any issues with how you've been going about explaining your reads thus far, and I'm willing to admit you may have a point about Margot in 120.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alstroemerial

^ Not feeling super confident in this vote as of rn, but it's better than idling.

Dont like this throwaway vote either, possible another SL but not confident in that rn

[HockeyFan]

cant be botherd to iso Lickety much, but I think their general reaction to being voted so early is town+ althought they did tunnel on Margot a bit. kinda an omgus of an omgus if that makes sense?

[HockeyFan]

I think this slot /may/ be towny since they were willing to question T3 on

why

tracker should claim, which maybe comes from scum who doesnt want a confirmed townie but I think it think comes from town rn

Ok, my current reads list. Apologies for text wall

Lean Town:

Currently, I think both T3 and Roden lean town. The more I read through the logs, the more I second guessed my initial scum read. The three minutes between T3's first posts, and the post to out tracker #22 definitely tripped my senses a lot, as it felt like brief time spent hatching a scheme, but that could just as easily come to what Roden is talking about, which I think I may have actually worked out. Roden feels like more of a wildcard than T3 at this point, but nothing that really makes me go one way or the other. Glad that I stuck to it a bit longer than warranted though, because it's definitely given good info.

Hockey: Hard to say, but slight town lean. Points all make sense, but also could point to a long con (see, for instance, lots of early, aimless banter [#7, #8, #13, #14, #16, #18], and later planting the idea that scum lay low early game [#62, #122], which could easily be a very base ploy to take heat off).

Null

Egix: Has laid low most of the game. [post=#p12939319]111[/post] makes me want to give him benefit of the doubt.



Astra is totally null for me atm. I think the fact she had to drop out early means posts will be hard to interpret. Nothing to go on, and I'll treat as a fresh slate when slot is refilled.

Lean scum

Clasko: Had very minimal engagement early on. Dropped in at #50 through #52 to post 3 nothing comments, with a followup meh reflection on RQS at 54. Seemed pretty cool with T3’s tracker idea at #55, but then seemed open to a d1 elimination for T3 in #118. Has a scum read on Hockey, which is interesting #115. Reasoning seems pretty flaky, when there are much better reasons to scum read him imo. Highest conf is on LQ, purely for the ordering of his slots, which blows my mind.

LQ: Way more interesting than Hockey's immediate question at T3 for the tracker play [post=#p12936791]#23[/post] which wasn't even really a callout, just a one word question that was left for several posts and almost five hours, was LQ resurrecting by restating the question [post=#p12937132]#32[/post]. Takes the heat off of you by shifting it onto someone who can be named as the instigator. Extra odd given that LQ later said that they knew tracker reveal was site meta, leading one to think that they would know exactly why T3 wanted to reveal tracker (see #80, #132). On top of that, they have been incredibly defensive throughout d1 (wanted Roden to go through past game logs to see their history of RQS v RVS in #38 and #39, defensive at Astra's veeeery loose scum read #68, defensive about T3 and Roden explanations as to why they voted #125). Attack on Roden for not sharing info, looks extra weird in this context (see #87), as I think it makes perfect sense as to why Roden wouldn't want to share info.

Alstro had minimal engagement early on. Only non-obvious read in #130 is a strong town read on me, and that could very easily be getting onside a slot who is making hard claims early in the game. Also, reading everyone as null or above other than two players already pointed out as behaving in an obviously odd way (Astra and LQ) feels like a safe play, especially when Astra is being subbed out and therefore justifying an opinion change later on. I have also been reading into the read lists a bit too much probably, but they line up for Alstro and LQ to be scum team (Alstro mentions a very loose scum read on LQ that's easy to walk back, but useful to make them seem like town if LQ gets smoked).

The only thing I /dont like/ that makes me hesistnat to TR them is this reads list above. This reads list just came after they were finished questioning T3, and they dont even have t3 in thier reads list? Didnt you just SR them? kinda wack

[HockeyFan]

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

RQS is a scum tell. It's an irrelevant question that's just there to make you look busy.

VOTE: LQ

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

I've been playing on MS semi-regularly since I joined.

VOTE: Margot

You're forgetting that the D/P remakes are coming out later this year. Also, "honestly" tell.

P.S. Hockey is town on vibes.

What do you have against honesty?

It's nothing major, but it's simply that scum sometimes have a tendency to overuse words that they think will "sound" more towny.

Had a newbie game where someone said "tbh" over thirty times and turned out to be scum. They still won even after it was pointed out as a scum tell too.

I dont like this post, smells like a mafia taking away the good vibes away from town

T3, 1 question for you. Even if your crackpot theory DOES work, why force claim tracker to claim d1 f1. While I still hate the idea of a PR claiming d1, im more on the side of the tracker claiming late d1, after we've had good discusscion. If your answer is "tracker might get pushed", who cares? By that time, we will hopefully have 2-3 susses and we can just pivot to the 2nd one

I think I know why T3's going for this and I'm just gonna town lock him now.

I mean, prolonging RQS and to keep talking about it beyond your first few posts is sus sure. But the person who did RQS this game(Lickety), did not prolong and even got some /starter/ reads(Only serious read is the TR on me, but still, Lickety did get some info, so sure RQS may be easy town cred for little effort but Idt thats the case in this game

This is a fair point actually.

tring t3 seems like a BALLSY move, but i think its in thier scumrange

[HockeyFan]

Hey Hockey you should trust me when I say rodentown.

and thats why? i stg if u say "mEtA", I am going to be sad

He knows exactly what is going on.

Doesnt mean they're town, Honeslty idk what to quote in t3's iso because its all weird stuff, like locktowning roden like wut? This isnt town gameplay but t3 never exhibits town gameplay, so put them at null. I do agree with the last 2 posts althought Idk how /true/ it is

[HockeyFan]

I think my current reads are

TLS;
Lickety
Astro
Margot

Null: T3,Egix

SL: Clakso,Roden

Im gonna wait before I try to read Strange, I need more posts

[Roden]

Hockey, are you an alt? You mention things like my scum range but I don't think I've ever played with you before?

[HockeyFan]

Hockey, are you an alt? You mention things like my scum range but I don't think I've ever played with you before?

No I havent, I just assume everyone who I play with on fourm is good at playing scum kek. Can you link some of your scum games if u have any ty

[Roden]

Clasko said 'a green flip'
Clasko is scum knowing I will flip green

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

Lol what, voting someone that you dont even SR. Also if you are voting them, why do u expect them to be a green flip?

I think this slot may actually be scum besdies thier towny ish reads earlier

Wait, was it an actual slip? I interpreted it as "if this flips green we gain nothing", though I agree the vote isn't good if T3 isn't a scum read.

[Egix96]

Clasko said 'a green flip'
Clasko is scum knowing I will flip green

Imagine if scum were that incompetent that they would just blurt that out loud

@Hockey: the gamestate has barely progressed since I made that post, so I don't think there would be much point in me doing that yet.

[Egix96]

Clasko said 'a green flip'
Clasko is scum knowing I will flip green

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

Lol what, voting someone that you dont even SR. Also if you are voting them, why do u expect them to be a green flip?

I think this slot may actually be scum besdies thier towny ish reads earlier

Wait, was it an actual slip? I interpreted it as "if this flips green we gain nothing", though I agree the vote isn't good if T3 isn't a scum read.

That was my Interpretation too.

[Roden]

Hockey, are you an alt? You mention things like my scum range but I don't think I've ever played with you before?

No I havent, I just assume everyone who I play with on fourm is good at playing scum kek. Can you link some of your scum games if u have any ty

Ah, and sure thing.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86832
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87026
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87201

[StrangeMatter]

@StrangeMatter

Welcome.

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

If you aren't countering his claim, then Hockey is conftown.
(sorry for the SL, Hockey)

I…don’t actually think he actually is claiming Tracker, and just joking about this. Are you also just joking about them being confirmed Town?

Speaking of which, I saw in your posts you said you were following Lickity’s vote, and to me that’s just…not something I see from Town players. Most Town has votes on the same person if information that points towards scum, not outright saying they’ll just follow votes.

So can you give me a good reason why you’re voting the same person as Lickity?

[HockeyFan]

@StrangeMatter

Welcome.

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

If you aren't countering his claim, then Hockey is conftown.
(sorry for the SL, Hockey)

I…don’t actually think he actually is claiming Tracker, and just joking about this. Are you also just joking about them being confirmed Town?

Speaking of which, I saw in your posts you said you were following Lickity’s vote, and to me that’s just…not something I see from Town players. Most Town has votes on the same person if information that points towards scum, not outright saying they’ll just follow votes.

So can you give me a good reason why you’re voting the same person as Lickity?

No, I am hard claiming Tracker

[alstroemerial]

If I’m processing right, everyone has checked in since Hockey’s claim except for Clasko, so unless Clasko cc’s then we can clear Hockey. So we’ll see tomorrow when the V/LA ends but odds are good.

Mobileposting on today’s catch-up so I’ll be doing shorter posts.

@Turtwig if you saw the end of my #55, you would already know I claimed I wasn't the Tracker.

I agree with your reasoning for the Roden slot. Whilst it's easy to hide behind a strategy, I think they've chosen a weird place to position themselves, and a possibly unadvantageous one as scum given T3's play at the beginning of the game, which is why I would give Roden slightly more townier status than your null one to them, rn.
Hockey is more-or-less conftown (so now I currently have no scum reads), and your Margot read I agree with (but slightly different reasoning). We differ on our LQ reads, and additionally I agree with your opinion, and Roden's #167 (after looking at LQ's ISO at start of game) that the wagon on them was too quick to form over a speculation of RQS.

Do you disagree/agree with any of my reads? #115 to #121? Granted #115 is incorrect, and ig they're sort of a lifetime ago at this point.

Whoops, I only checked posts after the tracker claim.

In terms of the reads I agree with pretty much all of them except I would put T3 a bit higher, just because it seems like a lot for scum to do out of the gate. I know T3 has done some wild stuff as town, but I haven’t seen it with scum.

[alstroemerial]

Actually, LQ's post on me can't be faked.

Which one?

[T3]

Clasko said 'a green flip'
Clasko is scum knowing I will flip green

Imagine if scum were that incompetent that they would just blurt that out loud

@Hockey: the gamestate has barely progressed since I made that post, so I don't think there would be much point in me doing that yet.

I recently played a game where a 2013 joindate casually told the thread exactly what happened in the scum pt and no one batted an eye except me, their scumpartner.pedt:
The meta one.

[T3]

Everyone was doing nka spec and they say:

"yeah, the deepwolf suggested [we kill Bell]"

[T3]

Point is, anyone can perapective slip.

[StrangeMatter]

T3 is the type of person who knows that he does wild plays as town and scum, so it’s NAI, especially since I played with subs into a Mason and Scum slot with me, but honestly take that with a grain of salt.

[alstroemerial]

Typed a post and my internet died f hang on a bit

[T3]

This actually isn't a wild play, and it has town motivation.

[StrangeMatter]

I was talking the tracker meta that I don’t think is really reasonable to play out.

[alstroemerial]

Ok take 2 answering Hockey’s 224, cliff notes cause I don’t want to retype everything ;-;

1: that’s why there’s the “gives me pause” phrase: I find LQ’s behavior scummy independently. However the wagon is what’s holding me back. It is possible that it is a town-driven wagon, maybe with a bussing partner. So LQ is low on the list but I didn’t move my vote with all that.

2: I liked Roden’s answers to your questioning regarding withholding information. Also liked the post to T3 that was like, “let’s move on from this tracker thing as it’s distracting from scumhunting.”