Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Medea the Alien]

Fuck that deal.

I'm done engaging with you directly for a while because this is getting dangerously close to turning into a toxic back and forth that does nothing but chole the thread. I refuse to roll over and die just because you'd rather scumread a perfectly logical set of plays from us.

Dunn makes perfect sense as a potential off the wagon kill as he is consensus town read.

Quite frankly I think you're town and that the alternate win condition shit is a distraction you're way overly focused on. We literally don't know how many demons there are right now exactly. It could be three. It could be whatever the cap is on the range bork gave for today. Either way I think bork a competent enough mod to not let a secondary win condition magically end the game before day four.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck that deal.

I'm done engaging with you directly for a while because this is getting dangerously close to turning into a toxic back and forth that does nothing but chole the thread. I refuse to roll over and die just because you'd rather scumread a perfectly logical set of plays from us.

Dunn makes perfect sense as a potential off the wagon kill as he is consensus town read.

Quite frankly I think you're town and that the alternate win condition shit is a distraction you're way overly focused on. We literally don't know how many demons there are right now exactly. It could be three. It could be whatever the cap is on the range bork gave for today.

Either way I think bork a competent enough mod to not let a secondary win condition magically end the game before day four.

I am revising the alternate wincon from seven demons (living or dead) to

nine

demons (living or dead). I will not be discussing anything else about this change until postgame. Thank you for your understanding.

Rules will be updated to account for this, with a two hour time out, and then I will open the thread again.

I apologize for the disruption.

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:30:00)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck that deal.

I'm done engaging with you directly for a while because this is getting dangerously close to turning into a toxic back and forth that does nothing but chole the thread. I refuse to roll over and die just because you'd rather scumread a perfectly logical set of plays from us.

Dunn makes perfect sense as a potential off the wagon kill as he is consensus town read.

Quite frankly I think you're town and that the alternate win condition shit is a distraction you're way overly focused on. We literally don't know how many demons there are right now exactly. It could be three. It could be whatever the cap is on the range bork gave for today. Either way I think bork a competent enough mod to not let a secondary win condition magically end the game before day four.

No one died Night 1.

The Demonic count level is now: Medium.

Please stand by for individual shard count PMs

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear (ManateeGal, Spiffeh, Snarky fishes)
[2] Medea the Alien (Here There Be Dragons, Lady Lambdadelta)

[7] Not Voting (Annie Edison, ArcAngel9, Lukewarm, Medea the Alien, PookyTheMagicalBear, unwnd, Dunnstral)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to eliminate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear (ManateeGal, Spiffeh, Snarky fishes)
[2] Medea the Alien (Here There Be Dragons, Lady Lambdadelta)

[7] Not Voting (Annie Edison, ArcAngel9, Lukewarm, Medea the Alien, PookyTheMagicalBear, unwnd, Dunnstral)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to eliminate.

UNVOTE:

[Medea the Alien]

Dunn did you get to see the human part that we would be or just as we currently are?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Dragons

[Dunnstral]

Dunn did you get to see the human part that we would be or just as we currently are?

I can only see role information related to your current form, so no I don't get to see that

I also can't see flavor name, number of shards, whether you're actually a human or demon, etc.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alive:

1. Annie Edison
2. ArcAngel9
3. Dunnstral

4. Here There Be Dragons
5. Lady Lambdadelta

6. Lukewarm
7. ManateeGal

8. Medea the Alien

9. PookyTheMagicalBear
10. unwnd
11. Snarky fishes
12. Spiffeh

Vote: Dragons

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dunn did you get to see the human part that we would be or just as we currently are?

I can only see role information related to your current form, so no I don't get to see that

I also can't see flavor name, number of shards, whether you're actually a human or demon, etc.

Vote: Dragons

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

[Lukewarm]

Here is a just-woke-up-in the-middle-of-the-night-and-while-getting-a-glass-of-water thought.

We can potentially test the dunn/medea duo tonight if someone targets Dunn overnight, and then we see if he get a result on that persons role.

Maybe good idea, but probably bad to coordinate who is doing so.
Also, maybe bad idea No deep thinking has happened here. Just a lightbulb went off

[Lukewarm]

Back to sleep now

[Spiffeh]

Yes. The doctor-part of my role is not why there's a no kill. Nor is the missing kill due to Rhea being the nightkill target and her being hidden.

It's fairly obvious here that scum self-sharded.

One starting town demon, one starting scum demon, create one more by self-sharding the same scum teammate with both and that's three.

Idk if this is even worth speculating and I am bad at discussing the setup but do we think scum self-sharded (assuming this because there are no new demon claims) because they knew that player had a good chance of getting limmed today?

I could see scum trying to demonize the players that are about to die to lock them in as demons

[Spiffeh]

Secondary team is starting to make sense in my head if all the pieces fit.

My ears are perked, hit me.

Ceph/Spiffeh/?

Pretty much

Can you remind me of your primary scum team?

[Dunnstral]

I think it's more likely they sharded their strongest demon pr.

[Spiffeh]

While I think Dunnstral and Medea are Town currently, LLD has echoed some of my paranoia about writing them off as such. In order to achieve the secondary win condition (which is what they seem to be going for due to the lack of nightkill) scum need as much time as possible, and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Medea/Dunn would recognize this and easily buy themselves several days with this gambit. At this point in time I don't think this is the case, and I'm hoping we just start hitting scum elsewhere so I don't even have to think about it anymore. Idc if this sounds like I'm hedging, I think it's worth mentioning and keeping in the back of our minds.

I am fine with CephTD and Pooky competing wagons, but feel Pooky is much more of a slam dunk and don't understand why CephTD is getting more attention.

I have reason to townread almost every other player other than maybe Lukewarm which bothers me and tells me I need to reevaluate. Could Snarky and Medea go into more detail about why they have unwnd so low on their reads lists? I have him as a pretty high townread but they've had him low for awhile and I'd like to understand why.

[Here There Be Dragons]

just out of curiosity because i'm behind

did anyone provide a reason for our wagon? because iirc everyone who scumread us yesterday including Dunnstral didn't really provide a reason

why are people jumping on a "meh" wagon?

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

medea thinks ceph is too grumpy? that's enough for pooky annie rhea dunn? what the hell did i just read

it's kind of upsetting joining this game with my s/o trying to navigate this really cool player list just to find no one bothering to talk to us and everyone scumreading us without saying why because we're not town enough for them despite being town? for some reason cephy's not supposed to get too frustrated by that?

i think you should put yourselves in our shoes and see how that feels. we're trying our best and we want to do well, but it's hard when some people can't even be touched without strong cases but we get nothing, which is why cephrir feels grumpy about this game and says things like he feels like a second-class citizen or hot garbage. have some empathy for shit's sake.

~std

[Spiffeh]

STD who do you think should be limmed today?

[Annie Edison]

I was POEIng there and I am more susceptible to pressure when I’ve been getting yelled at

[Spiffeh]

@STD You mentioned that Pooky, Annie, Rhea, and Dunn seemed to hop onto your wagon without much explanation. Do any of these in particular feel scum-motivated to you?

Additionally, what are your thoughts on the composition of the Titus wagon? Is there a vote or push there that stands out to you as scummy? I already stated I was perturbed at your slots behavior around the wagon, but now that you know Titus was town do you feel any differently about the other players who participated in her lim?

On my end, I am struggling to find players I DON'T townread and your slot is one of them. I understand why you could be frustrated because there doesn't seem to be an overarching case other than "you're not a town read" and if I were in your position I would probably be pissed off, but at this point I think a wagon on a player that is universally NOT town read is worth exploring. (I would heavily prefer Pooky getting limmed over you tho)

[Here There Be Dragons]

without cephy's input, i'd say Pooky, unwnd, medea probably, but i'm wavering on all my reads

i don't really know what pooky's done, though the titus trap thing is a joke.
unwnd's tone has been off all d1 but it has admittedly gotten better d2.
medea trying to push us for ceph being "grumpy" and all the reasons we've listed before, though i think i'm more susceptible to believing they could be town with dunn's claim than cephy is.

pedit: I can yell at you, too if that helps

~std