Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Clasko

Yeah, I feel like this is money. I think that was an actual slip tbh.

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.3

Clasko

(2): T3, LicketyQuickety

T3

(1): Clasko

LicketyQuickety

(1): StrangeMatter

StrangeMatter

(1): alstroemerial

alstroemerial

(1): Egix96

Not voting

(3): HockeyFan, MargotRosa, Roden

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-20 23:48:00)

[StrangeMatter]

bruh

Why do u TR people that hold info, still dont get it

Well, hiding information like that can be useful to not give information that may benefit scum, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to explain otherwise you leave everyone that’s Town with less information. Now about Roden not giving information to scum, was just not needed since Roden was obviously already doing that. Idk that to me can seem like they’re trying to get towncred as scum. I can’t really think of that being something Town says unless for some reason they care about correcting or self conscious about how town thinks about them.

[LicketyQuickety]

@StrangeMatter

Welcome.

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

If you aren't countering his claim, then Hockey is conftown.
(sorry for the SL, Hockey)

I…don’t actually think he actually is claiming Tracker, and just joking about this. Are you also just joking about them being confirmed Town?

Speaking of which, I saw in your posts you said you were following Lickity’s vote, and to me that’s just…not something I see from Town players. Most Town has votes on the same person if information that points towards scum, not outright saying they’ll just follow votes.

So can you give me a good reason why you’re voting the same person as Lickity?

First part is kinda weird, but in a Townie kind of way. I don't think Scum usually would doubt a claim like this due to TMI. So on that part I kinda think this is a Townie post.

The question asked is a good one. I generally don't like people sheeping me anyways because it's too much pressure. Ofc Clasko can't know this, but still rubs me the wrong way with the way it went down.

[LicketyQuickety]

bruh

Why do u TR people that hold info, still dont get it

Well, hiding information like that can be useful to not give information that may benefit scum, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to explain otherwise you leave everyone that’s Town with less information. Now about Roden not giving information to scum, was just not needed since Roden was obviously already doing that. Idk that to me can seem like they’re trying to get towncred as scum. I can’t really think of that being something Town says unless for some reason they care about correcting or self conscious about how town thinks about them.

Kinda wondering what you are going to do with your vote (since you haven't moved it/unvoted yet). Usually standard procedure is to unvote when you sub in unless you like the vote in which case you should say why.

[StrangeMatter]

Sorry, I meant *really felt the need to explain what they’re trying to do.

[StrangeMatter]

Unvoting this, not really staying here just yet.

UNVOTE:

[LicketyQuickety]

Clasko said 'a green flip'
Clasko is scum knowing I will flip green

Wait, did they really? I will have to go back and check this, but it feels wrong for some reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

The wagon on LQ built up a little too fast. I think it's weird that he's focused on me saying "honestly" once, and he's clearly panicking and scrambling to avoid getting elim'd.

But this is feeling more like a townie flail than a scum flail.

Like, less like his back is against the wall and more like he got ganged up on and he doesn't think it's fair. Plus, there's basically been zero resistance to this wagon. If LQ is scum, then his scum buddy would have to be bussing him extremely early into the game.

First scum is almost guaranteed to be between LQ and Margot btw. It's pinging me as TvS pretty hard. Pretty sure we can turbo elim both if the first one flips green.

@Roden:

Given you thought LQ's flail was townie, would you yeet Margot first over LQ?

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

I'm quoting both of these here because the first is the only place "green" shows up in Clasko's ISO and it isn't even said by Clasko. And then they decided to sheep me (which I still don't like).

In any case, this is the sort of thing I was waiting for from T3 Re: FPS.

So I'd Lean Town on T3 at this point, which makes Clasko's vote look worse actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

Okay, I goofed. In Clasko's ISO, the FIRST place green shows up is in Roden's nested quote, but then the last post is where Clasko says it's a green check. This actually erases the TL on T3 because it WASN'T that T3 was doing FPS. So I have T3 as a Null currently. Sometimes I get stuff wrong because I am ADHD so bad, so be patient with me.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hockey, are you an alt? You mention things like my scum range but I don't think I've ever played with you before?

Why did you think Hockey was an alt?

[LicketyQuickety]

Still waiting on Clasko...

[HockeyFan]

Ok take 2 answering Hockey’s 224, cliff notes cause I don’t want to retype everything ;-;

1: that’s why there’s the “gives me pause” phrase: I find LQ’s behavior scummy independently. However the wagon is what’s holding me back. It is possible that it is a town-driven wagon, maybe with a bussing partner. So LQ is low on the list but I didn’t move my vote with all that.

2: I liked Roden’s answers to your questioning regarding withholding information. Also liked the post to T3 that was like, “let’s move on from this tracker thing as it’s distracting from scumhunting.”

Ah Gotcha, This is probs town

I think strange's tone feels a bit off, but eh not reading into that too much since i cant read them very well

Lickety is still town, what does FPS mean tho

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety is still town, what does FPS mean tho

Fancy Play Syndrom. It's just what we have been talking about with T3 so far. That they do weird plays like gambits and stuff. I know he does this as Town and he's so far been playing pretty straight forward and IDK why.

[Roden]

Hockey, are you an alt? You mention things like my scum range but I don't think I've ever played with you before?

Why did you think Hockey was an alt?

I think the quote you're posting answers that question. I didn't recognize them, but they were talking like they knew my playstyle.

[Roden]

Point is, anyone can perapective slip.

VOTE: Clasko

Yeah, I feel like this is money. I think that was an actual slip tbh.

I'm finding it hard to believe Clasko slipped like that. I want to see his response first before discussing it more, but I genuinely don't think scum would make that careless of a mistake, and I think he actually gets some accidental town points for that. If you're voting Clasko, it should be because he voted T3 when he isn't even a scum read.

[Roden]

The wagon on LQ built up a little too fast. I think it's weird that he's focused on me saying "honestly" once, and he's clearly panicking and scrambling to avoid getting elim'd.

But this is feeling more like a townie flail than a scum flail.

Like, less like his back is against the wall and more like he got ganged up on and he doesn't think it's fair. Plus, there's basically been zero resistance to this wagon. If LQ is scum, then his scum buddy would have to be bussing him extremely early into the game.

First scum is almost guaranteed to be between LQ and Margot btw. It's pinging me as TvS pretty hard. Pretty sure we can turbo elim both if the first one flips green.

@Roden:

Given you thought LQ's flail was townie, would you yeet Margot first over LQ?

I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.

[Clasko]

Why would u specifally out that you are not tracker. Dont think town does this? Also this post implies that u dont sr t3 so what changed enough for u to vote them in 216?

I think you need to elaborate on this T3 read

Lol what, voting someone that you dont even SR. Also if you are voting them, why do u expect them to be a green flip?

I think this slot may actually be scum besdies thier towny ish reads earlier

So can you give me a good reason why you’re voting the same person as Lickity?

The question asked is a good one. I generally don't like people sheeping me anyways because it's too much pressure. Ofc Clasko can't know this, but still rubs me the wrong way with the way it went down.

Claiming not Tracker felt like damage limitation as opposed to a straight-up claim, as in, like, one person out of nine doesn't have one of the possible six town-y roles. It probably wasn't the smartest but whatever.

I totally understand how my vote post on T3 can be construed as a slip, but I still maintain his green flip doesn't say much. He's kinda taking a back seat, resting on the laurels of his Tracker plan, or w/e, and using it to give an unfounded locktown on Roden that lacks true justification.

Let me make my feelings on T3 crystal clear - at this moment in time, I neither scum read him nor town read him. I found his idea at the beginning of the thread interesting and not inherently suspicious, so I'm not immediately seeing why Hockey and Margot are using the word 'contradiction' to describe my actions wrt reading them, but to each their own I guess? Prior to my sequence of recent posts, T3 just repeats himself: 'Roden locktown, Hockey locktown, LQ kinda sus won't say why' and unnecessary shade with 'oh Egix is here I guess' yet

he

complains of the game being stagnant? It was more a pressure vote to try and get a bit of info out of him, like, if he won't respond to Hockey when he asked him for a reads list in #138 then maybe a vote will help move him, and with LQ initiating that potential wagon, I felt almost compelled to jump on. I felt comfortable shifting my vote from Turtwig because they were actually giving reads and opinions on certain people... y'know, with reasons?

As it stands, I have no scum reads, and will have to look at the thread with a different thinking cap, and if I can't find scummy posts then I'll reduce my PoE by discarding the most towny people and selecting from a pool of null people, which looks like this for me rn: (from most to least null)

{StrangeMatter/T3/Turtwig/Egix96}

Although I'm convincing myself Turt/Egix aren't S/S - even though Egix's vote on Turt wasn't a particularly strong push, I don't think a scum partner immediately brings the other to e-4 to keep them as an elim option? Just an initial thought. So with that in mind I'll keep my vote on T3 as Strange is still catching up. Egix I'm more comfortable with out of the bunch because they took a side with the supposed 'slip' and is actually using their vote.

Margot's gone down in my reads slightly - she didn't yet decide if my post was a slip and has kind of gone quiet, as if she's waiting for the dust to settle before forming an opinion on recent events, but I did see the whole lockdown post thing as reasoning, so.

Roden's still a town read, enforced in my #211, and has overtaken Margot. LQ is still my most non-confirmed - they're looking solve-y wrt my slip and asked relevant follow-ups earlier (unrelated to the slip) in #162 and #178 that gives me good feels.

Spoiler: Sad

even though they're breaking my heart rn. ;-;

I'm finding it hard to believe Clasko slipped like that. I want to see his response first before discussing it more, but I genuinely don't think scum would make that careless of a mistake, and I think he actually gets some accidental town points for that. If you're voting Clasko, it should be because he voted T3 when he isn't even a scum read.

P-edit: @Roden Ah... yeah, I don't SR them, but see if you agree with my reasoning for the vote, anyway.

[Clasko]

I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.

All right. I'd be more comfortable with Margot if she showed recently but I get your PoV.

[Clasko]

I…don’t actually think he actually is claiming Tracker, and just joking about this. Are you also just joking about them being confirmed Town?

I'm no Sherlock or anything, but my first clue was when he said "I am tracker"

[Clasko]

I would kind of like to know where Turt, SM and Margot stand on the 'slip' as of rn and would also wonder if T3 and LQ are just gonna deathtunnel me at this point, and if so is it solely because of the 'slip'? Like, is this gonna be an issue being taken into D2?

[Roden]

bruh

Why do u TR people that hold info, still dont get it

Well, hiding information like that can be useful to not give information that may benefit scum, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to explain otherwise you leave everyone that’s Town with less information. Now about Roden not giving information to scum, was just not needed since Roden was obviously already doing that. Idk that to me can seem like they’re trying to get towncred as scum. I can’t really think of that being something Town says unless for some reason they care about correcting or self conscious about how town thinks about them.

I'm not sure how you reached this interpretation. I can understand why town might be suspicious of me from holding information, but trying to continue to push when I'm making it clear doing so is anti-town is just not a good look. Continuously drawing attention to it is not a good look. Trying to shade me into spilling the beans is especially not a good look.

Hockey claimed Tracker and isn't getting counterclaimed, so I can only assume they're conftown and because of that I won't scum read them. But anyone else who tries to push this when I keep warning against it is gonna get priority of my vote going forward. Trying to get info out of me or T3 about his plan is just a scum move now.

[Roden]

P-edit: @Roden Ah... yeah, I don't SR them, but see if you agree with my reasoning for the vote, anyway.

I can understand it. I also understand the annoyance with me and T3, but I think all that matters wrt that is that the Tracker looks for scum, and if we have a Doc then they need to protect him.

[LicketyQuickety]

Clasko not addressing the "green flip" comment is a bad look.

[Egix96]

Clasko said 'a green flip'
Clasko is scum knowing I will flip green

Imagine if scum were that incompetent that they would just blurt that out loud

@Hockey: the gamestate has barely progressed since I made that post, so I don't think there would be much point in me doing that yet.

I recently played a game where a 2013 joindate casually told the thread exactly what happened in the scum pt and no one batted an eye except me, their scumpartner.pedt:
The meta one.

Everyone was doing nka spec and they say:

"yeah, the deepwolf suggested [we kill Bell]"

Am I right in presuming that that was intentional i.e. openwolfing? If so, that's something I would associate more with an older (by join date) player who would've had more experience with what can and can't be gotten away with.

Clasko not addressing the "green flip" comment is a bad look.

I thought he did that here? vvv

I totally understand how my vote post on T3 can be construed as a slip, but I still maintain his green flip doesn't say much. He's kinda taking a back seat, resting on the laurels of his Tracker plan, or w/e, and using it to give an unfounded locktown on Roden that lacks true justification.

Also, I know you mentioned ADHD, but I'm finding it hard to understand how you could post 250 when you hadn't yet checked the facts.