Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Spiffeh]

I'd also like to point out that Pooky has stated absolutely no reason for scum reading CephTD that I've seen?

Kinda like how he stated absolutely no reason for scum reading Titus when hammering her?

It's almost like he's only concerned about his own survival!

[unwnd]

Pooky has no reason to do half of the things he does

I get the impression when he's scum things make more sense

[Here There Be Dragons]

unwnd can you please unvote so i can get this effortpost out.

[Here There Be Dragons]

even if it ends up being my final words, which it bloody well shouldn't, i want this in the thread.

[unwnd]

Nobody in this plist besides Pooky has the right mind to hammer you here

Lucky for you he's already voting

[Here There Be Dragons]

Well, for D1 I just felt Dragons was not very functional. I had them on my lower end due to the fact of 1) People being townie than them 2) Feeling like their posts were inflated. Inflated in the sense that Dragons spent a lot of time chattering and having personality but not really having the reads to match. A lot of their D1 to me (especially early) was just being there around events happening but also isolating themselves from it. They didn't really get into the bigger scuffles the rest of us and still continue to not do so. I'm not saying that all townies need to scrap and fight with another but their perspective to me even coming into D2 was strange. I think CephTD chose to be a bit more isolated from the crowd, and that was my reason to think they were scummy. I felt this was intentional because they were afraid of taking a chance or getting in the middle of something and end up scumread for it.

??? seems like the exact opposite of what's happened

[Spiffeh]

That is a horrendous take.

WH13 Pooky had consistent town and scum reads. I always knew where he was at. He didn't sheep people's random reads just for the sake of doing so. Sure he trolled a whole bunch but he had no problem taking scum!SirCakez out to the trash when the time came and his confidence in that read was genuine.

This Pooky is blatantly opportunistic and everyone is ignoring it because "it's Pooky", and you seem to be falling in that trap too despite being one of the few to see through him previously.

[Spiffeh]

^ that was @unwnd's 3601

[unwnd]

I think Pooky is either doing

1) Pretending to not care as a means to float
2) Doesn't actually care because other players will carry him (See: NQN)

[unwnd]

Well, for D1 I just felt Dragons was not very functional. I had them on my lower end due to the fact of 1) People being townie than them 2) Feeling like their posts were inflated. Inflated in the sense that Dragons spent a lot of time chattering and having personality but not really having the reads to match. A lot of their D1 to me (especially early) was just being there around events happening but also isolating themselves from it. They didn't really get into the bigger scuffles the rest of us and still continue to not do so. I'm not saying that all townies need to scrap and fight with another but their perspective to me even coming into D2 was strange. I think CephTD chose to be a bit more isolated from the crowd, and that was my reason to think they were scummy. I felt this was intentional because they were afraid of taking a chance or getting in the middle of something and end up scumread for it.

??? seems like the exact opposite of what's happened

Are you sure? I never felt like you were getting down and dirty.

[Medea the Alien]

UNVOTE:

I don't want a lolhammer either.

[unwnd]

Lolhammer is scumclaim but for real this time

The unvote is fine though

[Here There Be Dragons]

i mean ive begged people to interact with me and they won't

i've been pretty interested in attacking medea, i guess you've somehow not noticed

it's also normal for me to play from the sidelines so that's a mystifying critique to me but i guess you wouldn't know that, but i also don't think it's what i've done here. i'd actually accept my NOT having done that as a reason to scumread me this game even though it happens to be wrong

[unwnd]

I don't know if that's entirely true though?

Entertaining the prospect of you being iced out, do you think that is scum manipulation? Meaning, certain people are intentionally doing it.

[Here There Be Dragons]

i honestly don't think it's scum manipulation, and that's why i'm hurt by it. because i'm townreading a lot of the players i see as key to that happening

[unwnd]

If you could go into that please do

Promise that me voting you and scumreading you is not an indication of worth

Or thinking that 'oh, we can launch Dragons cuz he's not as valuable as Medea'

[Here There Be Dragons]

and like, idk, i thought these people liked me but they have no interest in anything i say

doesn't feel great

i can deal with being voted. it's the feeling ignored that's gotten to me. you at least tried today.

i mean, you're mostly fine, although i'm a little upset with you giving up. i certainly think that my not being as valuable as medea is a primary factor in the result of this day, however. looking at annie, dunn if town, snarky here. that's what creates an environment where you and LLD feel forced to give up

[unwnd]

I am almost certain they like you

I know I can't speak for them, but nobody in this plist is the type of person to try and play the social game underhanded like that. Too many of them care about winning, therefore I assume a lot of them are looking at this like.. optimal. Cabd (Medea) has proficiency and they'd rather take a stab at his read than try to suggest otherwise. It also can help read him in the longrun

[Here There Be Dragons]

jesus h. tapdancing christ. are you guys serious?

that case is COMPELLING to you? is this a joke? i'm insulted by the characterization of that pile of crap as a "case". it's barely more than "lol ceph scum because i said so" and people are VOTING on that?

no, snarky, it really isn't much more than "ceph is grumpy." did you read it? have your eyes left the building? or is it your ability for critical analysis that's committed seppuku after watching this travesty of a game? the idea that there is a parallel to a game where someone else got mad about their mislim disappearing is

completely divorced from reality

. My being upset predates dunnstral's claim, even today, i was there in my first post! i'm pissed that we elimed titus instead of obvious scum because they're too special to die. even though std IS right-- i make no apologies for thinking luke was right, it was a great case and titus' play made no sense. i'm even more pissed that we're about to do it again, and i'm pissed that no one will pay an iota of attention to what i have to say. yeah, i'm good at playing scum. does that mean i never get the time of day from any of you ever again? because i'm not interested in doing this again with you, if that's how it is. i don't understand why this applies to me and yet no one will turn a critical eye at medea who is in the same boat.

there is so much evidence for medea scum. it's my whole iso. 2290 is a smoking gun, and still, no one will give it the time of day. i may suck at town, but i don't suck this bad. you're just all used to not caring what i think. i'm used to my points not being convincing to anybody but me, but i HAVE SOMETHING this game. i never have a read this good, because scum never make it this easy and obvious. to still get the same treatment i always do -- like the class pet, who we laugh at when he chases his tail and performs humor like a circus animal, and otherwise have no use for. yeah of course i'm fucking upset.

and, instead, a case from them that is worthless is going through. did you read it? there is no backup to any of it! it's literally just a bunch of assertions! because they're so special, that's what we're going with. i'm not offended by being scumread or losing to a well played scum game. what i am offended by is losing to such a bad scum game. they've played awful, but because it's cabd, they get treated like kings anyway, and anything they post is gospel truth to you. and when this is over you'll congratulate them for being so clever and outplaying everyone even though they've been open wolfing since page 10. and no one will ever say, "hm, wow, we were pretty dumb to vote dragons for such a bad reason." ive been begging half the game to engage with me about what their problem with me is and every single one refuses to even try. i think you know you have no reason. yet no one will learn.

someone said that scum wouldn't behave this way around the titus elim, they'd happily vote there -- you're straight wrong. that case was so good, that once any momentum landed there, the elim was always going to happen. that's why medea suddenly turned their titus read on a dime even though it was completely inconsistent with their previous opinion -- again, please read 2290 -- it's the oldest play in the book to call someone town when you know they'll flip town and now you look like a smart genius who should be followed. i'm not very impressed. let's just lemming ourselves straight off the cliff because lord cabd said we can swim!

this is really the only reason i'd be willing to consider pooky town -- i don't think he needed to hammer to make sure that happened. it was happening. but, it's more likely by far that he is just medea's partner. it's telling that they haven't gone after each other essentially at all, no?

back to this "case." i can't believe i have to post about this. you should all be dismissing it out of hand. my disappointment IS immeasurable and my day IS ruined. i have put my everything into casing medea all game. and you brainiacs are actually voting us for 3357. i dont even know where to begin, holy shit.

most of these "points" aren't even points. i'm glad you linked that game where i was caster. because this is so obviously a repeat of that. what is "emotional bullshit" that i'm doing here and didn't do there? these terms don't even have definitions. no part of this even means anything. not voting medea for a while- i was EXTREMELY clear at the time about why i wasn't voting medea. how is the brain trust just not reading my posts to the point of buying this? it was

because std wasn't on board

. this entire "case" completely ignores the facts. where is your critical thinking, town? did medea chloroform you during the night and now you can't remember basic game data? read my god damn iso if you forgot! compare these words to what has actually happened!

now, why are they even dropping such a dog shit case right now? firstly, if i'm such obvious scum, why can't they produce something better that has any relationship with my actual actions, why must they invent "emotional bullshit," as though they've never seen me be emotional as town when that was literally my last town game?

more importantly, why now? i put it to you that it's because we were going to elim their partner pooky. tenet showed them the power of refusing to bus even obvious partners.

i don't care if dunnstral is scum. it seems like that's the only way you'll all consider it. i think scum can have pretty much whatever role, but fine. sure. i thought ffery posted somewhere recently that she focuses on day play 99% or something like that. maybe i'm wrong and it was someone else. where is caring about day play? i don't think their role is impossible as scum, but fine, whatever, i'll pretend dunn has to be scum if you want. this sequence of night actions is so improbable that ockham alone gets us to this is a last ditch effort to prevent medea from going down. probably they see that dunn is unlikely to win alone, and medea and pooky were both going down. that means it's time to gambit. im amazed by the prevailing idea that cabd would not gambit here. it's only his entire schtick.

finally, pooky was around prior to his hammer with titus sitting at e-1. if their plan was to lolhammer, why didn't it happen sooner? well, i'd say it was awfully polite of this scum bear to nicely wait for medea to get their post out that they said they wanted to make before laying down the hammer. perhaps he also had to wait for them to check in and agree in the scum thread.

tell me this wagon on me doesn't remind you of foolish game losing wagons past. half of you don't even believe this (and yet interestingly it is still possible to get enough votes to elim me hm i wonder why... this isn't brain surgery). quit giving up because the truth is too hard for you and try to win. im currently being voted by the entire scumteam, unwnd who is rationalizing his ass off, LLD who openly doesn't even think i'm scum, and idk what annie is doing or why but if they could wake up that'd be G R 8.

[Here There Be Dragons]

there you go.
VOTE: pooky

[unwnd]

If anyone genuinely has a problem with you or std they got a problem with me

I will never vote someone off just because I don't like them, or because I see them as worthless

[unwnd]

I'm gonna read your wall but it's the claim and Dunnstral backing it up that really makes Medea untouchable for today lol

Too many people here wouldn't risk eliminating a doctor claim this early,

on top

of Dunnstral backing it up. You realize that a bit yeah?

[Here There Be Dragons]

a doctor is literally useless unless scum decide to kill

[Here There Be Dragons]

Let's look at this post, std, instead of just talking about it.

VOTE: Dragons

Thankfully, I agree, unwnd, Manatee lass isn't on the table today. This is.

Town cephrir is a grumpy but likable old coger. This? This is emotional bullshit scumcephthedragons. This is "mad my medea elim went up in smoke" cephthedragon. This is "Has good vibes going in the scum PT and we're keeping morale high" cephrirlovesdragon. This is "look at me I'm going to talk about being so happy to vote medea for like twenty posts BEFORE actually voting them so everyone sees how happy I am about my votes tehehehehe" cephthedragons.

Schezernade died for this.

medea's saying the opposite -- that cephtown is grumpy, and that what he's done here is more performative than straight-up grumpy, particularly your slot's trajectory on medea.

i don't really get that at all from that post

do you have any thoughts besides the fact that cabd said something cryptically and I, std, am having trouble parsing it, or...?

~std

[unwnd]

another thing i would like some interaction on, is quite a few people i think have said they think there's exactly 1 scum in medea/pooky. can you tell me why? i don't get it.

What changed from here Ceph?