mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

[NorwegianboyEE]

A good hydra should either play up the strenghts of each other or fill out the parts that are lacking in the other.
Or be extremely meme-able.
Unfortunately i’m not familiar with Retti so i can’t rank your compatibility.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LOCK TOWN never touch
Norwee

Why do you townread me?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Where I stand

LOCK TOWN never touch

Norwee
Mastina
Emperor

town. May or May not be fading

Ta Vera
Dweelee*
T3*
Green caps

STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA

Titus

left

Boongle

*conditional read, moves up with the nontouchables with a Titus red flip

My god, we are chopped liver.

-S

[T3]

Where I stand

LOCK TOWN never touch

Norwee
Mastina
Emperor

town. May or May not be fading

Ta Vera
Dweelee*
T3*
Green caps

STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA

Titus

left

Boongle

*conditional read, moves up with the nontouchables with a Titus red flip

VOTE: FAIRY
On further reflection, this is very scummy.
Fairy supposedly got no pings from Bingle either way in the past 13 pages and has him as a PoE scumread? And Fairy also hard scumreads Titus but then also scumreads Bingle?

[T3]

Where I stand

LOCK TOWN never touch

Norwee
Mastina
Emperor

town. May or May not be fading

Ta Vera
Dweelee*
T3*
Green caps

STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA

Titus

left

Boongle

*conditional read, moves up with the nontouchables with a Titus red flip

My god, we are chopped liver.

-S

The Limit Does Not Exist Does Not Exist

[T3]

Strong scumread on Fairy now. Also, unless scum are bussing they're going to have top-heavy readlists because of the ratio between town and scum. Fairy has 2 scumreads, one player who is being 1v1 and another consensus scumread.

[T3]

Where I stand

LOCK TOWN never touch

Norwee
Mastina
Emperor

town. May or May not be fading

Ta Vera
Dweelee*
T3*
Green caps

STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA

Titus

left

Boongle

*conditional read, moves up with the nontouchables with a Titus red flip

VOTE: FAIRY
On further reflection, this is very scummy.
Fairy supposedly got no pings from Bingle either way in the past 13 pages and has him as a PoE scumread? And Fairy also hard scumreads Titus but then also scumreads Bingle?

Also I confused Titus with mastina in this post. Disregard the last point.

[mastina]

Mastina excluding the depth what do you think about bingles read consistency?

Read consistency isn't a metric I'm good at using most of the time. I can sometimes see an egregious lack of it, but otherwise I'm not the one to ask.

Thing is, you aren't looking at any of his scumgames. He puts in even less effort as scum and doesn't wall at all. Both scum and town Bingle are casual and reactive, but town Bingle will occasionally effort a wall but scum Bingle won't.

This is a fairly superficial take and imo ignores critical context.

In this case, that Bingle has far more incentive to put in effort as scum than he does as town.

[Dwlee99]

Fairy has 2 scumreads

The other thing is that there are 3 scum sooo

[mastina]

Why is Titus high?

I'd be the first to admit I can't read Titus worth shit, but that having been said, a lot of Titus's work here looks like what I'd think would be town for her.

However, the true clincher: Titus making a hero solve.

Some people are townreading me partially because of my hero solve, but where do you think I got the idea to make one from? Titus made a hero-solve before I do so if you townread me for my hero solve you should be townreading Titus for hers. I just don't think scum-Titus makes a hero solve like that, especially if it is so brazenly stepping on too many town players' toes. It's the sort of thing she'll get basically zero support for and receive nothing but negative attention for, yet she still seems to believe in it. While it's not impossible for Titus to be scum, this behavior radiates town from her.

What I believe she's misunderstanding is that it's not ever really my goal to catch scum on D1. I'm always trying instead to put as many people as possible in the hotseat where they have to take positions that they can then be read on the basis of later. D1 is all about poking people to make associations fall out so that I or others can then look into the interplay. Catching scum is gravy.

No, that's actually more or less precisely what I am talking about--your goal isn't to catch scum on D1, you like to pressure people, multiple people, to get that extra info.

So why then have your efforts been to make one lengthy scumcase and two lengthy towncases? Neither of those fit the mold of putting many people in the hotseat.

Your towncases and your scumcase look more like they are made for appearances rather than made to further your progression.

I haven't read most (any) of the long posts. I won't have time to catch up fully until next week probably

Oh? Then why did you put so much time/effort into reading MY long posts on Bingle all of a sudden?

Could it be because you felt the need to protect him?

[T3]

Mastina excluding the depth what do you think about bingles read consistency?

Read consistency isn't a metric I'm good at using most of the time. I can sometimes see an egregious lack of it, but otherwise I'm not the one to ask.

Thing is, you aren't looking at any of his scumgames. He puts in even less effort as scum and doesn't wall at all. Both scum and town Bingle are casual and reactive, but town Bingle will occasionally effort a wall but scum Bingle won't.

This is a fairly superficial take and imo ignores critical context.

In this case, that Bingle has far more incentive to put in effort as scum than he does as town.

True.
Your play here is nothing like Chrono Trigger so I'm comfortable townreading you.

[mastina]

what do you make of RCE?

I can't read him worth shit, but I honestly don't think his content so far is alignment indicative one way or another. It vaguely looks town but not in a way that is necessarily actually town as a scum player of RCE's caliber could easily make the vaguely town-looking posts. The slot was looking town to me before, though, so between previous holder of the slot looking town enough to me and RCE looking vaguely town I'm willing to give RCE more time to basically show the townness through.

Also Dwlee. Does this actually remind me of my play in our previous game?
Like, i try to close the gap. But my energy is just completely energy when i am town VS as scum.
Like when Mastina tunneled me in that previous game i tried to stay tough but really i was crying myself to sleep everyday. While here i just feel intense and willfull pretty much the whole way. I can’t fake that as scum, believe me i’ve tried.
I’m just not good at handling pressure when scum. That’s like the cheat code to catch scum!me.

For the record, I buy this as being true and that Norwee is town.

[T3]

My locktowns are now mastina, Norwee, Emp, and GCB a close fourth.

[mastina]

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The irony is thick.

(I haven't forgotten how many people said this to Dwlee last game.)

the fact itself that bingle is having reads on d1, how is that a problem? like, i'll be the first to say that i don't know bingle's meta that well and i've never seen him as scum, but even without doing any research i remember him having a decently strong townread on me on d1 in that jk9++ game (which, to be fair was over a year ago, but uh, working with what i remember right now).

Having reads, even strong ones, is not an issue from Bingle.

The amount of explanation/effort behind the reads (especially given his admitted lack of read familiarity for the playerlist), is.

You said it yourself:

i was right that he was strongly townreading me on d1, but he definitely did not make a full blown case about it.

Why the need to make a full blown case about it this game when he didn't in a previous game?

[mastina]

Green Cap Boys
NorwegianboyEE

Titus
The Emperor
(there's very little separating these two tiers btw)
cass.bruant/T3
ta vera/RCEnigma


Dwlee99


The Limit Does Not Exist




Fairy Circle

Bingle

Think this is where I'm at right now.

Locktown, strong town, almost-just-as-strong-town, null, scumlean, scumread lockscum.

[Dwlee99]

The irony is thick.

(I haven't forgotten how many people said this to Dwlee last game.)

I don't remember that in Chrono or Open draft. I was telling house to read my posts in Chrono

[Bingle]

He either slipped or faked a slip that he has no duplicate potions

Uh no I didn't?

Oh, weird. I assumed the potions had a constant ingredients list based on the OP.

I also thought that the potions had constant ingredients but I didn't cross check with the OP.

sample P + P + H town PM:

Spoiler:

welcome to mystery box of silver 13! you are a

townie

with the following inventory of potions:

potion of Harmography:

at night, you may drink this potion and gaze discerningly at another player. come morning, you will find out each player that enacted a potion action to deal damage to them.

ingredients: music , applesauce (BONE-DRY & TART!!), Pulp, pulp

potion of Pain:

at night, you may drizzle this on a player's dinner; they will take 1 HP of damage by the end of the night. a player is unable to use more than one Pain potion each night.

ingredients: water, poison, firebones

potion of Pain:

at night, you may drizzle this on a player's dinner; they will take 1 HP of damage by the end of the night. a player is unable to use more than one Pain potion each night.

ingredients: hibiscus, sorry

you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. please confirm by telling me your alignment & an ingredient to one of your potions

Please note: the two potions of pain that have different ingredients lists.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't cross-check my potions either.

[Dwlee99]

(just so you know, I looked again and yes I have duplicate potions and yes they have different ingredients)

[Fairy Circle]

I got pulled away for shit and is getting lunch prepped now

But yes, I have two in my PoE. There's 11 players, so we might not even have 3 scum anyway.

Also norwee

Short version, you very clearly had an agenda in mizzys normal, and the way you approach people there who pushed you and how you pushing people and scum reading people here are starkly different.

Also youre totally genuine

[Bingle]

Why is Titus high?

I'd be the first to admit I can't read Titus worth shit, but that having been said, a lot of Titus's work here looks like what I'd think would be town for her.

However, the true clincher: Titus making a hero solve.

Some people are townreading me partially because of my hero solve, but where do you think I got the idea to make one from? Titus made a hero-solve before I do so if you townread me for my hero solve you should be townreading Titus for hers. I just don't think scum-Titus makes a hero solve like that, especially if it is so brazenly stepping on too many town players' toes. It's the sort of thing she'll get basically zero support for and receive nothing but negative attention for, yet she still seems to believe in it. While it's not impossible for Titus to be scum, this behavior radiates town from her.

I don't think anyone is actually reading you as town based on you having a hero solve. I think people are reading you as town because you clearly genuinely believe your push on me. Why does a Norwee/Dwlee/T3 solve seem likely to draw negative attention to you?

What I believe she's misunderstanding is that it's not ever really my goal to catch scum on D1. I'm always trying instead to put as many people as possible in the hotseat where they have to take positions that they can then be read on the basis of later. D1 is all about poking people to make associations fall out so that I or others can then look into the interplay. Catching scum is gravy.

No, that's actually more or less precisely what I am talking about--your goal isn't to catch scum on D1, you like to pressure people, multiple people, to get that extra info.

So why then have your efforts been to make one lengthy scumcase and two lengthy towncases? Neither of those fit the mold of putting many people in the hotseat.

I made a serious push barely post RVS on one slot which then went MIA and explained it when prompted to and explained my townreads when I'd been run up to (E-2 I think, but am not checking) based on nothing more than the thing that is clearly not a scumslip. Both of these things happened in a time of serious threadlag. I also have been fairly consistently poking at people since then.

[Green Cap Boys]

There's 11 players, so we might not even have 3 scum anyway.

i came in to make a quick announcement and i see this and lmfao

anyway, datisi head will be v/la 12-36 hours. been at the er, i'm probably fine, but i'm tired, might skip posting tomorrow

and force retti to be doing something

. cheers.

-D

[Dwlee99]

I got pulled away for shit and is getting lunch prepped now

But yes, I have two in my PoE. There's 11 players, so we might not even have 3 scum anyway.

Also norwee

Short version, you very clearly had an agenda in mizzys normal, and the way you approach people there who pushed you and how you pushing people and scum reading people here are starkly different.

Also youre totally genuine

Are you faking a town slip??

[Bingle]

But yes, I have two in my PoE. There's 11 players, so we might not even have 3 scum anyway.

Are you aware that roughly 3/4 of the content this game is about how this game has an open setup and this looks like the laziest fake slip of all time?

[Bingle]

In post 911, Dwlee99 wrote:
Read
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The irony is thick.

(I haven't forgotten how many people said this to Dwlee last game.)

The irony is even thicker, considering I keep asking Dwlee to read my mech post and he keeps saying he'll do it later.