Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[cowsloveSushirolls]

But serious: the more I think about floo, the more I dislike his posts. His first post (a vote with no further explanation) could have been a revenge for me rng-voting on him. Although at that time I already changed my vote to Uranus. Asked why he voted me, he just gave us the smiley. That is not much information. And only one faction likes the information to stay hidden: mafia.

There is nothing wrong with no explanation for my first vote. I randomly voted you because you were the person who had most recently posted. What was I supposed to do, make a joke about your username? I find it suspicious that you are trying to find secret motives for RVS votes. The smiley should have been enough to figure my vote was random.

And here I thought you also saw the LAMIST play thus voted them No mind melding for us

i like this post: to be honest i was thinking that some of your earlier posts were awkward

Don't get it

for example, this post:

No one is asking me but I have been playing forum mafia only...

Is the color I'm using suitable for you?

nobody asked me either but i just told them my experience with mafia. it looked weird to me when you said that, since i entered the conversation without any problems

[kennyk]

As I mentioned earlier I am not a total newbie as I played on a different forum and after that on this site with a different account. On here I played two newbie games (67 and 95 if you want to meta, username is quite obvious). So there is a little bit of experience but no game for 15 years.

@ Salsabil Faria: So you think players who are sus on something are sus. Doesn't that make you sus, too?
I don't know who the scum is right now. I highly suspect floo of being one of them. That's why my vote is still on him. So if you ask me who the two scum in the 'floo and kennyk are innocent' scenario are, I have no idea who I would vote for.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

that's true, it's probably easiest to get credit in RVS since it's all just making good first impressions

i wanted to see if "there was at least one scum who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game" applied to my first game here and uh, we talked about sandwiches for around 100 posts
the person who DID try to solve around the end of those 100 posts was town, though. i am thinking that it's easier to look townier when you blend in with the townies instead of trying to lead and ask questions early, so i like kennyk for this also

Hmm... fair enough

[Salsabil Faria]

But serious: the more I think about floo, the more I dislike his posts. His first post (a vote with no further explanation) could have been a revenge for me rng-voting on him. Although at that time I already changed my vote to Uranus. Asked why he voted me, he just gave us the smiley. That is not much information. And only one faction likes the information to stay hidden: mafia.

There is nothing wrong with no explanation for my first vote. I randomly voted you because you were the person who had most recently posted. What was I supposed to do, make a joke about your username? I find it suspicious that you are trying to find secret motives for RVS votes. The smiley should have been enough to figure my vote was random.

And here I thought you also saw the LAMIST play thus voted them No mind melding for us

i like this post: to be honest i was thinking that some of your earlier posts were awkward

Don't get it

for example, this post:

No one is asking me but I have been playing forum mafia only...

Is the color I'm using suitable for you?

nobody asked me either but i just told them my experience with mafia. it looked weird to me when you said that, since i entered the conversation without any problems

Was trying to be cool

[Salsabil Faria]

@ Salsabil Faria: So you think players who are sus on something are sus. Doesn't that make you sus, too?

I don't like when people misinterpret my words...

VOTE: kennyk

[Radical Rat]

Honestly, I think kenny's Town. I see where you're coming from with the LAMIST thing, but it reads as genuine to me, mostly just gut vibes though.

[Radical Rat]

this reminds me: you can go ahead and look at my profile: i have exactly one game that's completely finished from about a month ago, and i think it's a good indicator of what I usually do as town. i died on the first night, though. i guess it was for being too friendly [sarcastic tone]
was kind of a dick in that game to be honest

This is a bad post though. Self meta doesn't work, because if you know your meta, you can manipulate it. Maybe if it's to refute a specific claim, but unprompted like this? Just reads real fishy. Especially the bit about getting killed for being a dick.

Maybe you really were a dick, but in the context of this game it reads like you're trying to set it up as if you play the same it means you're Town again, but if you slip up and act differently, it's just because you're trying to be nicer and/or live longer.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

this reminds me: you can go ahead and look at my profile: i have exactly one game that's completely finished from about a month ago, and i think it's a good indicator of what I usually do as town. i died on the first night, though. i guess it was for being too friendly [sarcastic tone]
was kind of a dick in that game to be honest

This is a bad post though. Self meta doesn't work, because if you know your meta, you can manipulate it. Maybe if it's to refute a specific claim, but unprompted like this? Just reads real fishy. Especially the bit about getting killed for being a dick.

Maybe you really were a dick, but in the context of this game it reads like you're trying to set it up as if you play the same it means you're Town again, but if you slip up and act differently, it's just because you're trying to be nicer and/or live longer.

wouldn't call it unprompted: for some reason you chopped off the part where kenny was talking about how us newbies don't know eachother's skill levels. so yes, i'm refuting a specific claim

it's a given that i'm going to manipulate my town meta, yeah. i didn't play perfectly in that one and so you'll see me trying new things and seeing what sticks. i'm not going to play the same, but you shouldn't look at my actions in a vacuum: the game's just a baseline of what i'm capable of doing, my 'skill level'.

so i'll say it right now: i've no reason to replicate my established town meta here. it sucks. i'm going to play differently, please enjoy all of the different dances i can do for you guys

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

[kennyk]

@ Salsabil Faria: So you think players who are sus on something are sus. Doesn't that make you sus, too?

I don't like when people misinterpret my words...

VOTE: kennyk

I guess I should have specified, that that statement was meant to be (kind of) funny. That's what the smiley was put in for. I know I have got a twisted kind of humor.

i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

I can relate to the first part of your post. Everyone playing wants to live to the end of the game (and be part of the winning team of course). But as far as i see things, you are not one of the players in the line of fire. So why would you wish the wind to carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat? And why to those two? Just because they didn't post as much as some other players? Do you expect less opposition from them if you try to lurk votes in their direction?

I don't mean to be unthankful. Every vote not on my ballot is fine for me. But this post was uncalled-for.

[Radical Rat]

I don't really consider trying new things to be meta manipulation, I meant more like picking out certain tendencies and attitudes to attempt to replicate as scum. Which is what it reads like you were setting yourself up for.

And I don't really see the general statement of new players not having much established history/reputation as a specific claim about you that necessitated refutation, so I didn't consider it relevant enough to include in the quote.

I can somewhat understand where you're coming from here, but it still feels off to me. It just reads too much like scum trying to cover their bases, with a sprinkling of AtE for good measure.

[Radical Rat]

i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

What is "it" here? Dying early?

If so, rude >B(

[kennyk]

i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

What is "it" here? Dying early?

If so, rude >B(

That is how I interpreted it. Maybe I misinterpreted it. But in that case Salsabil Faria will vote on me (again)

[catboi]

Arriving fashionably late~

VOTE: Uranus

Call it gut but some slight feeling the protestations of "nothing to go off", although often a common sentiment among newbies, are here making an excuse to avoid getting involved in real conversation as the game gets more serious.

Good feelings on Salsabil and Radical Rat early. Kind of like kennyk also but I'm not sure if that's because of him being like a time traveler from the distant past of mafia. Mild fos on Entellian for showing up on the first page and then dipping.

slight disagree, i think you may be drawing too many conclusions from things that haven't happened yet
i think uranus's town potential goes up from the exact log you're describing: i'm acquaintances with them since i joined the discord server they play in often about a month ago, uranus is one of the more active ones. the setup making trends there is that they're fast paced and PR heavy. largest thing is that the people there nolim nearly every d1. i appreciate uranus putting in the effort to try and wean themselves off of waiting for mechanical information, even if it just seems like they're blindly following site meta

Drawing hasty conclusions is what the early game is all about, the self doubt and flip-flopping comes after

See, I understand what you're saying, and I'm not unsympathetic to a player not used to the style trying to adjust, but that doesn't preclude him from being mafia. I just have a gut feeling that's the case here, at least based on what's happened so far.

[catboi]

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

Perfectly explained but I want to add one thing: they said they had an account here before, so they played before here imo. That's why I'm not taking them that much of a newb player and when I read their posts ("

this sus, that sus

"), I found they were trying

too much

which I generally find suspicious.

See, I get where you're coming from here, but having actually read some of the very old games here, his play is really not all that uncharacteristic for how people used to play here. I think the way he's playing makes at least a degree of reasonable sense so far and feels less like scum trying to manufacture an accusation and more like town trying to spur things on early.

[catboi]

As I mentioned earlier I am not a total newbie as I played on a different forum and after that on this site with a different account. On here I played two newbie games (67 and 95 if you want to meta, username is quite obvious). So there is a little bit of experience but no game for 15 years.

@ Salsabil Faria: So you think players who are sus on something are sus. Doesn't that make you sus, too?
I don't know who the scum is right now. I highly suspect floo of being one of them. That's why my vote is still on him. So if you ask me who the two scum in the 'floo and kennyk are innocent' scenario are, I have no idea who I would vote for.

Lmao, I think I'll pass on metagaming you off your 8 posts on your old account. Welcome back, though! The game is very different now from how it used to be.

[catboi]

Weirdly, actually, I feel like the way floo responded to kenny

could

come from town, but it's not a particularly solid read at this point in time

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Lmao, I think I'll pass on metagaming you off your 8 posts on your old account. Welcome back, though! The game is very different now from how it used to be.

its the thought that counts!

[ArcAngel9]

Save The Dragons replaces A to Z

[Save The Dragons]

sup nerds

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 1-3

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: Radical Rat, kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria

Uranus

: catboi,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

:

Radical Rat

:

catboi

: cowsloveSushirolls

Not Voting

(9): Save The Dragons, Uranus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Deadline is adjusted by 1 complete day
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[cowsloveSushirolls]

sup nerds

it's the D himself

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I don't really consider trying new things to be meta manipulation, I meant more like picking out certain tendencies and attitudes to attempt to replicate as scum. Which is what it reads like you were setting yourself up for.

And I don't really see the general statement of new players not having much established history/reputation as a specific claim about you that necessitated refutation, so I didn't consider it relevant enough to include in the quote.

I can somewhat understand where you're coming from here, but it still feels off to me. It just reads too much like scum trying to cover their bases, with a sprinkling of AtE for good measure.

it's a bit of a double-edged sword, yeah? if i'm trying to replicate something from my past games (which i actually have two of now, one finished about 30 minutes ago) then it would be pretty blatant and it would take an ISO or two to completely knock me out of the water. missed opportunity to try and catch me doing something evil,

you can talk about how irrelevant it was to the point kennyk was making but the point stands that the only reason i made that post was because of kennyk, so it was important to leave on

that's fine, i just care if my point was made to you or not

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

What is "it" here? Dying early?

If so, rude >B(

That is how I interpreted it. Maybe I misinterpreted it. But in that case Salsabil Faria will vote on me (again)

noooo, i mean my own message of "i want to live longer", i'm sending it to the mafia so that they heed my wishes :^)

or at least i think i am. catboi is still a very large question mark for me

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: salsa