mini normal 2226; who won

[Datisi]

then he de facto becomes innocent child depending upon what he claims.

i have a feeling there is exactly zero (0) percent chance the game starts treating him as an innocent child no matter what he claims. unless he actually claims innocent child and ythan confirms him as town.

[ChaosOmega]

Your theory is scum have to shoot Chaos.

If your theory is right they have to shoot Chaos regardless of what Chaos claims right?

no. my theory is chaos is a town power role. if he's something like a town cop, then they have to shoot him. if he's something like a 1-shot tracker, then they most likely don't have to shoot him because the town will do the job for them, or at least keep being distracted by him. by keeping scum ~in the dark~, they have to gamble.

he said his results aren't useful. which means we don't actually get anything extra to act upon, we just let scum know where they have to fire tonight.

Imho incorrect. Scum still have to shoot there if Chaos is town.

Assume Chaos is town, then he de facto becomes innocent child depending upon what he claims. It’s not so much the future results it’s past precedent. At this point it’s not about results it’s about giving scum no place to hide.

Said Mathblade incorrectly.

[Titus]

I just don’t think Chaos is town. But if he is then we can fix things today versus a mis elim today.

Keeping Chaos alive shrinks the PoE. No reason for doubt as to the right move.

[Datisi]

I just don’t think Chaos is town. But if he is then we can fix things today versus a mis elim today.

like. you already know that he's claiming to be some sorta role that got a guilty on umlaut on night 1, and that he has nothing useful to offer us on d3. wow, amazing. what difference does him claiming something specific do?

[Datisi]

unless you're proposing massclaim and trying to break the setup that way, which no.

[MathBlade]

I just don’t think Chaos is town. But if he is then we can fix things today versus a mis elim today.

Keeping Chaos alive shrinks the PoE. No reason for doubt as to the right move.

This is a tautology.

Chaos is in my PoE.

If I remove Chaos from my PoE it of course shrinks the PoE.

Keeping anyone alive is the same argument?

[MathBlade]

I just don’t think Chaos is town. But if he is then we can fix things today versus a mis elim today.

like. you already know that he's claiming to be some sorta role that got a guilty on umlaut on night 1, and that he has nothing useful to offer us on d3. wow, amazing. what difference does him claiming something specific do?

Again what he claims and how has merit.

For example if he claims one shot that is debunked rather easily. As he said his results are useless rather than none.

Claiming specifics is where scum mess up. Furthermore if Chaos does die then those “useless” results which could damn scum get buried.

[MathBlade]

The generic is what any scum can do and what I think Chaos is doing.

The standard is always to claim at e-1 for that reason.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: mathblade

[MathBlade]

unless you're proposing massclaim and trying to break the setup that way, which no.

Absolutely not. I am pants on type of dude.

What I am suggesting is that it’s unlikely Chaos gets off another check of town so it’s better to have him claim now if he is so scum have to adjust during the day.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: mathblade

I mean if you want go ahead.

[Datisi]

Furthermore if Chaos does die then those “useless” results which could damn scum get buried.

could. maybe could. this is where we trust that town!omega has enough knowledge of his own role and normal games as a whole to know whether his n2 results "could" damn someone or not and whether they're worth sharing.

[DkKoba]

You're twisting everything just to portray chaos as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

unless you're proposing massclaim and trying to break the setup that way, which no.

Absolutely not. I am pants on type of dude.

What I am suggesting is that it’s unlikely Chaos gets off another check of town so it’s better to have him claim now if he is so scum have to adjust during the day.

Pretty sure scum might already be adjusted

[MathBlade]

You're twisting everything just to portray chaos as scum.

I believe Chaos is scum.

I find his defenders are much more looking at Chaos though rose tinted glasses here.

I am literally doing the opposite here and assuming he is town here Koba.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore if Chaos does die then those “useless” results which could damn scum get buried.

could. maybe could. this is where we trust that town!omega has enough knowledge of his own role and normal games as a whole to know whether his n2 results "could" damn someone or not and whether they're worth sharing.

You’re missing my point.

There should be no decision.

If I am dying that night I out my results no matter what.

[MathBlade]

unless you're proposing massclaim and trying to break the setup that way, which no.

Absolutely not. I am pants on type of dude.

What I am suggesting is that it’s unlikely Chaos gets off another check of town so it’s better to have him claim now if he is so scum have to adjust during the day.

Pretty sure scum might already be adjusted

I don’t think so. There seems to be no reaction here to match that.

[Titus]

unless you're proposing massclaim and trying to break the setup that way, which no.

Absolutely not. I am pants on type of dude.

What I am suggesting is that it’s unlikely Chaos gets off another check of town so it’s better to have him claim now if he is so scum have to adjust during the day.

I think he'll get off another check, if logic holds. Scum knows there is a protective role. It's a decent bet it's on Chaos tonight.

[Datisi]

like, i'm thinking back to a game where i was scum where a buddy of mine was a neighbourizer, and one scummy townie at one point went "i can confirm he neighbourized, i'm not saying anything else". we proceeded to shit a brick because we thought the townie was a tracker, or even worse a watcher, and we killed a yeetbaity lurking townie when there were much bigger headaches dayplay-wise. and then the fuck flipped as a useless voyeur.

don't give scum info for free.

[Datisi]

Furthermore if Chaos does die then those “useless” results which could damn scum get buried.

could. maybe could. this is where we trust that town!omega has enough knowledge of his own role and normal games as a whole to know whether his n2 results "could" damn someone or not and whether they're worth sharing.

You’re missing my point.

There should be no decision.

If I am dying that night I out my results no matter what.

you're missing mine. it's not guaranteed he dies, hell, maybe the act itself of him claiming will cause scum to not kill him. like, trust him that town!him knows what's he doing with his role.

[Titus]

Math, be Sophie adjust your con to the situation.

[ChaosOmega]

If I fullclaim, what are scum adjusting to during the day Math? Me not fullclaiming is allowing scum to make a mistake by not having complete information.

[MathBlade]

like, i'm thinking back to a game where i was scum where a buddy of mine was a neighbourizer, and one scummy townie at one point went "i can confirm he neighbourized, i'm not saying anything else". we proceeded to shit a brick because we thought the townie was a tracker, or even worse a watcher, and we killed a yeetbaity lurking townie when there were much bigger headaches dayplay-wise. and then the fuck flipped as a useless voyeur.

don't give scum info for free.

That’s literally my argument for elimming Chaos.

You’re shitting a brick Chaos is some power role and I don’t think Chaos is.

[MathBlade]

If I fullclaim, what are scum adjusting to during the day Math? Me not fullclaiming is allowing scum to make a mistake by not having complete information.

If you full claim and are unelimmable then scum have to push somewhere else. People fly off your wagon like it’s allergies.

[Titus]

You're going against locktown Math and trying to go after his extremely confident clear. It's not happening. Even if you think Chaos is scum, he has a partner.