mini normal 2226; who won

[Datisi]

#2000

chaos, what do you think of alchemist?

[ChaosOmega]

I feel not great about him, it feels like his read progressions just sort of stopped and he's locked on me, and his defense using his interaction with Umlaut early early D1 reads weird. Let me go back through his ISO.

[Lukewarm]

I am not really caught up (and still vla until tomorrow, so probably won't change before then) but I was just thinking about the chaos investigative claim.

I just think that it is really weird that he did not target me?

Like 80% of his iso day 1 was him calling me scum, and then day 2 he was calling me scum all over again, and then today he is opened up by voting me all over again.

Which seems weird that he did not choose to investigate me either night?

When I come back, I kind of want to iso dive him and actually look at everything he said about me vs everything he said about umlaut.

Before that happens, chaos you are welcome to weigh in and answer what led you to targeting umlaut night 1?

[ChaosOmega]

And how do you know that I didn't investigate you N2?

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Gamma Emerald]

MegAzumarill (4):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Gamma Emerald 364, Vulture 456

ChaosOmega (4):

Lukewarm 259, MathBlade 558, Alchemist21 665, Titus 750

Prism is towny, mostly gut though.
VOTE: chaos

so, at this part of the game, chaos became the leading wagon. umlaut was posting at the time. he gave zero shits about chaos getting run up. if a partner had been getting run up, a partner that people (is anyone other than alch actually?) are claiming is so important to the scumteam, you'd think umlaut would be doing... something?

also all of luke/math/alch are voting chaos here and uhh. don't like it one bit.

This makes sense actually

[Gamma Emerald]

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

Yeah this feels legit
VOTE: Alchemist
This is pretty much the best cross-section of “people I suspect” and “people who don’t seem basically untouchable rn”

[ChaosOmega]

As for the Alch ISO read:

117 is interesting now that we have a mafia neighbor flip. Alch is the first person to bring up neighborhoods. I am still working on the assumption that this setup is trolly in some way, so maybe both neighbors are scum? Neighbors just seem like a weird thing to bring up, but this could be nothing.

Umlaut-Alch back and forth from 225 to 242. Umlaut doesn't mention Alch in either of his mini read posts (199/330) even after the interaction with him.

Luke-Alch interaction 1111-1114/1146 (more a note for myself)

Alch kept saying Umlaut is scum but I'm scummier and trying to push people to my wagon (1324/1327/1453/1478/1481)

I mentioned it previously, but his defense in 1931 by quoting his interactions with Umlaut on page 2 is silly. It's a low risk time to try to distance, and also literally nothing came of it, I don't understand trying to get towncred from interacting with scum page 2 and then not mentioning them until D2, saying they're scum, but never voting them and trying to make a different wagon happen.

[Gamma Emerald]

because they can let the townie burn *anyway*, and then the next day they can go "wow gee guys you voted meg? like i told you we should vote omega hehe" and then you get another misyeet.

i do think it's somewhat unlikely luke/alch are scum together because blatant wagoning together is blatant, but that just makes me think math is more scum and i really need explanation for why he's apparently town by play

So because you don’t think scum would wagon together, your suspect is someone who was also on that wagon? WHAT?

[Datisi]

@omgea, it's pretty much guaranteed that both neighbours are scum. dunno if that's with a traitor or with a normal mafia member because lol mafia hoods.

@gamma, i said blatant. afaicr luke and alch voted omega together at the start of day 2 and then just stood on that wagon.

[DkKoba]

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

how u gonna say "likely not" at the 2 likley remaining scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the whoever hammered would be under heat tomorrow is just historically not true.

If you believe Chaos was a PR with a guilty (I don’t) then no, the person hammering wouldn’t be pressured at all.
Furthermore it’s usually not hammers that get pressured. That’s a myth.

Ftr I think Math has a point about hammers getting overlooked, generally those who get it to the E-1 point get looked at more I think
This is somehow especially true in micros

[Titus]

@Omega, I agree with Datisi on the hoods. A town neighbor claims it.

VOTE: Alch

His ChaosOmega read could be sucking up to Math.

[Titus]

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

how u gonna say "likely not" at the 2 likley remaining scum

Are you looking to expand the elimination pool?

[Alchemist21]

i've heard a different vca theory once. if town starts wagoning other town and there's a pure wagon on a townie, it's in scum's interest to make a counterwagon on another townie.

not saying i'm working from that assumption to scumread the trio, but i will need much more evidence that scum are spread out across both wagons than "it would make sense if this were the case".

Meg wagon formed after Chaos though, so in this case it would make more sense to look at the Meg wagon.

I do see your point about Umlaut not trying to save Chaos at the time though.

UNVOTE:

[Alchemist21]

because they can let the townie burn *anyway*, and then the next day they can go "wow gee guys you voted meg? like i told you we should vote omega hehe" and then you get another misyeet.

i do think it's somewhat unlikely luke/alch are scum together because blatant wagoning together is blatant, but that just makes me think math is more scum and i really need explanation for why he's apparently town by play

Hold on and I’ll pull out a couple posts that I think pretty much show Math is Town.

[Aristeia]

Why can't the team just be Alchemist - Lukewarm?

[Titus]

Why can't the team just be Alchemist - Lukewarm?

I don't see Luke + Alch leading a wagon together on Chaos when Meg is an option.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alch

Experiment time!

VOTE: Unvote

Nevermind bad idea.

Datisi I will make you a deal. I will vote Umlaut right now for the low low price of “told you so” post game.

So Math made this vote at a weird time as some kind of reaction test but then immediately decided it wasn’t a good idea and unvoted. I just don’t see scum doing this and immediately reconsidering. Plus from their posts I think it’s been pretty clear Math has been trying to figure things out and I have him up there with you in my top Townreads.

[Lukewarm]

And how do you know that I didn't investigate you N2?

VOTE: Lukewarm

Because you vote me at the start of the day. And if you are town, and did investigate me, I know you would have drawn an innocent.

So the vote on me says that you did not get an inno on me?

[Alchemist21]

VC 1.09

MegAzumarill (6):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Gamma Emerald 364, Titus 390, Vulture 456, Flubbernugget 537

D-1

Flubbernugget (3):

Umlaut 29, T3 113, Alchemist21 371

ChaosOmega (2):

Lukewarm 259, MathBlade 558

Lukewarm (1):

ChaosOmega 261

Vulture (1):

MegAzumarill 579

not voting:

with 13 alive it takes 7 to destroy.

deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:55:00)

We know Meg is town here at this point.

Want to assume I am scum incorrectly here? Why don’t I hammer?

Same with Alch and Luke.

These are the questions that have to be answered with narrative.

Imma be real with you chief, it doesn’t matter what alignment I am I don’t really like being the hammer vote. Even as scum in this situation I wouldn’t be rushing to hammer.

[Alchemist21]

All of page 80 is just wtf.

Math it really isn’t likely that any scum would have hammered there because, like what was said before, it would have cut discussion early and people would have been mad at the hammerer.

[Alchemist21]

His ChaosOmega read could be sucking up to Math.

[Titus]

All of page 80 is just wtf.

Math it really isn’t likely that any scum would have hammered there because, like what was said before, it would have cut discussion early and people would have been mad at the hammerer.

This is correct. Some threads just have players who talk more.

[DkKoba]

VC 1.09

MegAzumarill (6):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Gamma Emerald 364, Titus 390, Vulture 456, Flubbernugget 537

D-1

Flubbernugget (3):

Umlaut 29, T3 113, Alchemist21 371

ChaosOmega (2):

Lukewarm 259, MathBlade 558

Lukewarm (1):

ChaosOmega 261

Vulture (1):

MegAzumarill 579

not voting:

with 13 alive it takes 7 to destroy.

deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:55:00)

We know Meg is town here at this point.

Want to assume I am scum incorrectly here? Why don’t I hammer?

Same with Alch and Luke.

These are the questions that have to be answered with narrative.

Imma be real with you chief, it doesn’t matter what alignment I am I don’t really like being the hammer vote. Even as scum in this situation I wouldn’t be rushing to hammer.

from my 1 game sample i witnessed this is true

[DkKoba]

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

how u gonna say "likely not" at the 2 likley remaining scum

Are you looking to expand the elimination pool?

How can you read all of what i said and conclude that