Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[StrangeMatter]

UNVOTE:

[T3]

Ah who am I kidding, I've been putting up a charade and pushing Roden with a not so great argument to get a discussion going, and see who would be adamantly against a possible wagon on Roden. In particular I was looking for T3's reaction since he well, TR Roden so I wanted to see how he'd have reacted to it. And that part is frustrating to me because he completely ignored it and did his own thing instead, which didn't help at all. Not to mention that there are three votes on me, and it doesn't seem like anyone questions that.

And if you wanted my reasoning for voting Roden, I've already outlined it but in #79 Roden talks about not sharing information, then continuously talks about hiding info in #83, and #91. The main idea was that it was just repetition that would've been said it is odd to just keep repeating this as Town.

I wouldn't blame anyone if they vote me because of this, but I wanted to make this clear, I feel like Town isn't making anything and is just reacting, and that bothers me because the game probably won't progress if this just keeps up.

This

only

comes from town, mark my words.

[StrangeMatter]

Actually I worded the middle part really badly. Town doesn't say that, or even needs to keep repeating that when it's already obvious when Roden. hid information about that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ah who am I kidding, I've been putting up a charade and pushing Roden with a not so great argument to get a discussion going, and see who would be adamantly against a possible wagon on Roden. In particular I was looking for T3's reaction since he well, TR Roden so I wanted to see how he'd have reacted to it. And that part is frustrating to me because he completely ignored it and did his own thing instead, which didn't help at all. Not to mention that there are three votes on me, and it doesn't seem like anyone questions that.

And if you wanted my reasoning for voting Roden, I've already outlined it but in #79 Roden talks about not sharing information, then continuously talks about hiding info in #83, and #91. The main idea was that it was just repetition that would've been said it is odd to just keep repeating this as Town.

I wouldn't blame anyone if they vote me because of this, but I wanted to make this clear, I feel like Town isn't making anything and is just reacting, and that bothers me because the game probably won't progress if this just keeps up.

Give me a Reads List.

[LicketyQuickety]

Strange is sorta giving off "defeated Town" vibes.

IDK, maybe their push on Roden is good? Will have to ISO there.

[Roden]

Actually I worded the middle part really badly. Town doesn't say that, or even needs to keep repeating that when it's already obvious when Roden. hid information about that.

Then why is T3 also saying that? Your push on here is fake since you'd rather vote me out over T3 when T3 is literally the one who started this. You're looking for a reason to justify a scum read on me instead of actually trying to read me and you're making that incredibly transparent.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you're asking about the RQS scum tell sample size, you've been on this site long enough to know that one.

If it's the "tbh" tell I'm not sure how you expect me to source that unless you want me to comb through every newbie game and CTRL+F scum ISO's for "tbh" and "honestly". Which uh, I'm not gonna do. But I'm clearly not the only one who's heard of that tell anyway.

Going back to this, this is pretty Scummy?

Feels sorta like fake.

[T3]

Newer scum won't assume town is lying like strange did.

[LicketyQuickety]

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

Then doubts the "tbh" tell and doubles down on the RQS? I said in 154 that defensiveness and honesty tells were bad, but to keep on the RQS thing was really bad.

T3 how sure are you that Roden is Town here? I expect a straight up answer here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Newer scum won't assume town is lying like strange did.

which means what?

[T3]

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

Then doubts the "tbh" tell and doubles down on the RQS? I said in 154 that defensiveness and honesty tells were bad, but to keep on the RQS thing was really bad.

T3 how sure are you that Roden is Town here? I expect a straight up answer here.

ehhh
A lot >rand

Newbscum wouldn't think of pushing someone to get pressure. In their eyes everyoneelse is being truthful so they have to try and behave the same.

[LicketyQuickety]

What is your PoE at this point T3?

[Roden]

If you're asking about the RQS scum tell sample size, you've been on this site long enough to know that one.

If it's the "tbh" tell I'm not sure how you expect me to source that unless you want me to comb through every newbie game and CTRL+F scum ISO's for "tbh" and "honestly". Which uh, I'm not gonna do. But I'm clearly not the only one who's heard of that tell anyway.

Going back to this, this is pretty Scummy?

Feels sorta like fake.

???

What exactly sounds scummy or fake about this?

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

Then doubts the "tbh" tell and doubles down on the RQS? I said in 154 that defensiveness and honesty tells were bad, but to keep on the RQS thing was really bad.

T3 how sure are you that Roden is Town here? I expect a straight up answer here.

How am I doubting the tbh tell here? I literally advoated for it lmao, you're just making shit up here. Commenting on RQS isn't "bad", let alone scummy. You and Strange both keep looking for reasons to call me scummy but both of your attempts have been really weak and desperate.

[Roden]

Strange/LQ hero solve, they're both trying to out power roles and that's legitimately scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you're asking about the RQS scum tell sample size, you've been on this site long enough to know that one.

If it's the "tbh" tell I'm not sure how you expect me to source that unless you want me to comb through every newbie game and CTRL+F scum ISO's for "tbh" and "honestly". Which uh, I'm not gonna do. But I'm clearly not the only one who's heard of that tell anyway.

Going back to this, this is pretty Scummy?

Feels sorta like fake.

???

What exactly sounds scummy or fake about this?

It feels fake because I don't think you honestly believe the stuff you are saying about RQS. Like, why is that Scummy? Look through my games, I lead off with RQS semi-regularely.

Like this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11817906

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

Then doubts the "tbh" tell and doubles down on the RQS? I said in 154 that defensiveness and honesty tells were bad, but to keep on the RQS thing was really bad.

T3 how sure are you that Roden is Town here? I expect a straight up answer here.

How am I doubting the tbh tell here? I literally advoated for it lmao, you're just making shit up here. Commenting on RQS isn't "bad", let alone scummy. You and Strange both keep looking for reasons to call me scummy but both of your attempts have been really weak and desperate.

Both you and Egix96 used the "honesty" tell. Egix96 said they were only halfway serious about it. You are doubling down on it being Scummy, when it was discussed at length that it's really only Scummy if someone overuses it as Scum compared to Town. I don't think you actually believe these tells. They might be semi-okay to get the game started, but they are really bad once we have 10+ pages. And you didn't stick to those tells. You unvoted me and never voted Margot for the honesty tell. It just seems like you don't actually believe it.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Roden

[Roden]

If you're asking about the RQS scum tell sample size, you've been on this site long enough to know that one.

If it's the "tbh" tell I'm not sure how you expect me to source that unless you want me to comb through every newbie game and CTRL+F scum ISO's for "tbh" and "honestly". Which uh, I'm not gonna do. But I'm clearly not the only one who's heard of that tell anyway.

Going back to this, this is pretty Scummy?

Feels sorta like fake.

???

What exactly sounds scummy or fake about this?

It feels fake because I don't think you honestly believe the stuff you are saying about RQS. Like, why is that Scummy? Look through my games, I lead off with RQS semi-regularely.

Like this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11817906

I don't care if you always lead off with RQS? It's a notable scum tell and that doesn't change things just because you've done it in the past.

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

Then doubts the "tbh" tell and doubles down on the RQS? I said in 154 that defensiveness and honesty tells were bad, but to keep on the RQS thing was really bad.

T3 how sure are you that Roden is Town here? I expect a straight up answer here.

How am I doubting the tbh tell here? I literally advoated for it lmao, you're just making shit up here. Commenting on RQS isn't "bad", let alone scummy. You and Strange both keep looking for reasons to call me scummy but both of your attempts have been really weak and desperate.

Both you and Egix96 used the "honesty" tell. Egix96 said they were only halfway serious about it. You are doubling down on it being Scummy, when it was discussed at length that it's really only Scummy if someone overuses it as Scum compared to Town. I don't think you actually believe these tells. They might be semi-okay to get the game started, but they are really bad once we have 10+ pages. And you didn't stick to those tells. You unvoted me and never voted Margot for the honesty tell. It just seems like you don't actually believe it.

This is the first I've actually heard someone say "I don't think you believe this" lmao, how are you supposed to know what I actually believe? This isn't a real thought process.

Why would I vote Margot when she gave a legitimate reason? If it's a speech quirk and she didn't even say it much I have no reason to turbo elim her over that. It just sounds like you're projecting at this point because you keep saying my posts feel fake, but this legitimately cannot be a real thought process because it makes no logical sense.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you're asking about the RQS scum tell sample size, you've been on this site long enough to know that one.

If it's the "tbh" tell I'm not sure how you expect me to source that unless you want me to comb through every newbie game and CTRL+F scum ISO's for "tbh" and "honestly". Which uh, I'm not gonna do. But I'm clearly not the only one who's heard of that tell anyway.

Going back to this, this is pretty Scummy?

Feels sorta like fake.

???

What exactly sounds scummy or fake about this?

It feels fake because I don't think you honestly believe the stuff you are saying about RQS. Like, why is that Scummy? Look through my games, I lead off with RQS semi-regularely.

Like this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11817906

I don't care if you always lead off with RQS? It's a notable scum tell and that doesn't change things just because you've done it in the past.

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

Then doubts the "tbh" tell and doubles down on the RQS? I said in 154 that defensiveness and honesty tells were bad, but to keep on the RQS thing was really bad.

T3 how sure are you that Roden is Town here? I expect a straight up answer here.

How am I doubting the tbh tell here? I literally advoated for it lmao, you're just making shit up here. Commenting on RQS isn't "bad", let alone scummy. You and Strange both keep looking for reasons to call me scummy but both of your attempts have been really weak and desperate.

Both you and Egix96 used the "honesty" tell. Egix96 said they were only halfway serious about it. You are doubling down on it being Scummy, when it was discussed at length that it's really only Scummy if someone overuses it as Scum compared to Town. I don't think you actually believe these tells. They might be semi-okay to get the game started, but they are really bad once we have 10+ pages. And you didn't stick to those tells. You unvoted me and never voted Margot for the honesty tell. It just seems like you don't actually believe it.

This is the first I've actually heard someone say "I don't think you believe this" lmao, how are you supposed to know what I actually believe? This isn't a real thought process.

Why would I vote Margot when she gave a legitimate reason? If it's a speech quirk and she didn't even say it much I have no reason to turbo elim her over that. It just sounds like you're projecting at this point because you keep saying my posts feel fake, but this legitimately cannot be a real thought process because it makes no logical sense.

Are they real tells or not? If not, and there are example to the contrary, then why would they be considered Tells at all?

[Roden]

Because tells aren't hard proof? Why do I even have to explain that?

[Clasko]

What happened to Clasko?

LQ: Sir, we've found Clasko's fingerprints on the murder weapon! It MUST be him, no?
T3: Not now, sargeant.
LQ: But, sir... if we flip the knife over *turns knife* the words "Clasko's Knife" are clearly engraved on the ha--
T3: DISMISSED, SARGEANT!
LQ: (;-;)

[Clasko]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Margot's slot need a bit of pressure. She says "I am definitely liable to read into things a bit too much" in #148 when, actually, the inverse is happening since #140 and #305 are close to being mirror-images of each-other and I see little progression, combined with her enveloping herself almost solely in conversation with LQ makes me feel like she's trying to ride out the day, so I want to pressure this slot before she fades into obscurity given we're close to deadline and will have to come to a group consensus as to whom the elimination should be. It would be helpful if she answered my #332 for starters.

[Clasko]

Sorry Hockey, I forgot to answer your "Why? We only have four days left", and VCA is a thing in later days, like, the more votes we see D1 the more we can analyse later for connections (who jumped on/off, and why), and the people saying who they thought were the potential sus without votes felt non-commital. The game has picked up in this regard from when I made that comment.

[Clasko]

I want a bit of time to ingest the discussion on the last two pages. Initial thoughts are that Roden/LQ aren't scum/scum as this sort of argument feels hard to fake, almost like a clash of ideals and lends itself to pointless bickering considering RQS was the reason for LQ's wagon at the beginning of the game.

[Clasko]

On a more serious note, I want to ask SM (but I also want everyone to chime in) if it's better to extinguish the seeds of doubt I had accidentally sewn in my #216 by making me the D1 elim today.
Given I'm even suggesting this, you can probably guess my alignment and role, but I think my elim has some advantages:

- The 'slip' is resolved, which may mar D2 discussion if unchecked.
- We don't accidentally 'out' the other PR by bringing them to e-1 and force them to claim, which feels especially important given Hockey has already outed

If I'm going against wincon with this suggestion, then I sincerely apologise and will accept all responsibility but I think it's more beneficial for the game to keep the other, less disposable PR, hidden as opposed to my slot that is just a big, fat question mark, and I wouldn't be suggesting this if not for the 'slip' and Hockey didn't out.

Let me know what you all think.

[T3]

What is your PoE at this point T3?

margot
clasko
alstro
Egix