Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[T3]

Sorry Hockey, I forgot to answer your "Why? We only have four days left", and VCA is a thing in later days, like, the more votes we see D1 the more we can analyse later for connections (who jumped on/off, and why), and the people saying who they thought were the potential sus without votes felt non-commital. The game has picked up in this regard from when I made that comment.

There's no real scum motivation for this post, and while it is pointing out the obvious it is protown.

[Egix96]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Margot's slot need a bit of pressure. She says "I am definitely liable to read into things a bit too much" in #148 when, actually, the inverse is happening since #140 and #305 are close to being mirror-images of each-other and I see little progression, combined with her enveloping herself almost solely in conversation with LQ makes me feel like she's trying to ride out the day, so I want to pressure this slot before she fades into obscurity given we're close to deadline and will have to come to a group consensus as to whom the elimination should be. It would be helpful if she answered my #332 for starters.

Do you just not TR her any more then? The closest indication I can see is you saying that she had "gone down in [your] reads slightly" in 267.

On a more serious note, I want to ask SM (but I also want everyone to chime in) if it's better to extinguish the seeds of doubt I had accidentally sewn in my #216 by making me the D1 elim today.
Given I'm even suggesting this, you can probably guess my alignment and role, but I think my elim has some advantages:

- The 'slip' is resolved, which may mar D2 discussion if unchecked.
- We don't accidentally 'out' the other PR by bringing them to e-1 and force them to claim, which feels especially important given Hockey has already outed

If I'm going against wincon with this suggestion, then I sincerely apologise and will accept all responsibility but I think it's more beneficial for the game to keep the other, less disposable PR, hidden as opposed to my slot that is just a big, fat question mark, and I wouldn't be suggesting this if not for the 'slip' and Hockey didn't out.

Let me know what you all think.

Imho, if anyone thinks that either you or Strange should be "resolved" because they "dun goofed" (as the memers these days might put it) then that's either a very narrow-minded worldview, or scum seeking an opportunity.

[alstroemerial]

Yes... That is also something that was on my mind while I was pondering LQ considering the game's pace. Still, some of LQ's progression is suspicious, like the stuff you pointed out about Clasko. I am wondering how possible it is that the reason the wagon happened so quickly wasn't opportunistic scum bandwagoning but rather that we found it and then just got nervous at the speed and backed off collectively. But I really appreciate LQ's argument against, you know, eliminating slots that are likely green. And on that note I will VOTE: Strange (that's e-2)

Ok so you're voting me and then saying that's a naked vote?

Yes I am still working on the case but I've been a bit busy.

The prior sentence is the clothing Tying in LQ's 362 I see that it did get a bit tangled because I referenced LQ's "clothing" and then was like "I do not see it." because it wasn't in the same post.

[alstroemerial]

UNVOTE: Strange based on 374. I don't think scum Clasko would post 398 either.

[alstroemerial]

With that, now I want to go back to VOTE: Egix. I have to

V/LA until Sunday

; I'll be trying to follow along the thread so I can hopefully help protect us from a no elim and try to continue to chime in a bit.

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.5

alstroemerial

(2): Egix96, T3

StrangeMatter

(1): Roden

Egix96

(1): alstroemerial

Roden

(1): LicketyQuickety

MargotRosa

(1): Clasko

Not voting

(3): HockeyFan, MargotRosa, StrangeMatter

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-20 23:48:00)

[Umlaut]

Seeking a replacement for HockeyFan.

[T3]

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I can't tell if this gameis dead

[LicketyQuickety]

On a more serious note, I want to ask SM (but I also want everyone to chime in) if it's better to extinguish the seeds of doubt I had accidentally sewn in my #216 by making me the D1 elim today.
Given I'm even suggesting this, you can probably guess my alignment and role, but I think my elim has some advantages:

- The 'slip' is resolved, which may mar D2 discussion if unchecked.
- We don't accidentally 'out' the other PR by bringing them to e-1 and force them to claim, which feels especially important given Hockey has already outed

If I'm going against wincon with this suggestion, then I sincerely apologise and will accept all responsibility but I think it's more beneficial for the game to keep the other, less disposable PR, hidden as opposed to my slot that is just a big, fat question mark, and I wouldn't be suggesting this if not for the 'slip' and Hockey didn't out.

Let me know what you all think.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not wild about E96 but I think they look better than alstro.

If it comes to it, I'll join on alstro, but I'd prefer Roden, But it doesn't look like anyone else wants Roden dead? T3 TRs them, does anyone besides me SR Roden?

[T3]

VOTE: al strom erial

[StrangeMatter]

I'm not wild about E96 but I think they look better than alstro.

If it comes to it, I'll join on alstro, but I'd prefer Roden, But it doesn't look like anyone else wants Roden dead? T3 TRs them, does anyone besides me SR Roden?

Not going to lie, this is a vote just because, and especially when you scumread Roden is just odd.

Speaking of Roden, do you have any opinions on alstromerical and egix?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not wild about E96 but I think they look better than alstro.

If it comes to it, I'll join on alstro, but I'd prefer Roden, But it doesn't look like anyone else wants Roden dead? T3 TRs them, does anyone besides me SR Roden?

Not going to lie, this is a vote just because, and especially when you scumread Roden is just odd.

Speaking of Roden, do you have any opinions on alstromerical and egix?

I'm still voting Roden IIRC.

[StrangeMatter]

Oh, I read this post completely wrong. My bad.

[Roden]

I'm not wild about E96 but I think they look better than alstro.

If it comes to it, I'll join on alstro, but I'd prefer Roden, But it doesn't look like anyone else wants Roden dead? T3 TRs them, does anyone besides me SR Roden?

Not going to lie, this is a vote just because, and especially when you scumread Roden is just odd.

Speaking of Roden, do you have any opinions on alstromerical and egix?

Not particularly, no. Besides you and LQ, everyone is coming off really townie, if not a little milquetoast. Hockey gave off scum vibes but no one CC'd their Tracker claim, so they're essentially confirmed town.

[StrangeMatter]

Also, T3 feels like a wildcard to me, like he can flip either way right now, and any attempt to have a read on him just hadn't work out. He also hadn't been really scumhunting but just looks for town. Not saying that's a bad thing since POE absolutely can be useful, but at the end of this POE he just doesn't do any hunting to try to find scum in that group.

And Roden, can you please tell me what you see about those two that say they are town?

[StrangeMatter]

Or, at he's not saying anything about what he sees and who he scumreads in that group of people.

[Roden]

Also, T3 feels like a wildcard to me, like he can flip either way right now, and any attempt to have a read on him just hadn't work out. He also hadn't been really scumhunting but just looks for town. Not saying that's a bad thing since POE absolutely can be useful, but at the end of this POE he just doesn't do any hunting to try to find scum in that group.

And Roden, can you please tell me what you see about those two that say they are town?

It's because they're putting in the effort to poke and pressure people. There hasn't been any narrative twisting or notable shade attempts. This is important because the game state is basically going nowhere and scum 100% would be fine with that, attempting to stir the pot would just go against scum's agenda. The only thing that feels off is that they're voting for each other even though they're both giving off town vibes.

Though speaking of which, EoD is coming closer and we need to come together on an elim choice. I currently want either you or LQ gone, but if you've got a case on Alstro or Egix I'd be open to hearing it. Margot is also a person of interest since she keeps attracting a lot of suspicion from people. Everyone else (T3, Clasko, Hockey) are town reads for me and are off the table.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: alstro

We need some Town cohesion.

[LicketyQuickety]

I just ISO'd E96. I think they have good thought for the most part.

[T3]

Egix has like vaguely town sounding posts.

[LicketyQuickety]

Egix has like vaguely town sounding posts.

Actually, that's not a bad way to put it.

[StrangeMatter]

Also, T3 feels like a wildcard to me, like he can flip either way right now, and any attempt to have a read on him just hadn't work out. He also hadn't been really scumhunting but just looks for town. Not saying that's a bad thing since POE absolutely can be useful, but at the end of this POE he just doesn't do any hunting to try to find scum in that group.

And Roden, can you please tell me what you see about those two that say they are town?

It's because they're putting in the effort to poke and pressure people. There hasn't been any narrative twisting or notable shade attempts. This is important because the game state is basically going nowhere and scum 100% would be fine with that, attempting to stir the pot would just go against scum's agenda. The only thing that feels off is that they're voting for each other even though they're both giving off town vibes.

Though speaking of which, EoD is coming closer and we need to come together on an elim choice. I currently want either you or LQ gone, but if you've got a case on Alstro or Egix I'd be open to hearing it. Margot is also a person of interest since she keeps attracting a lot of suspicion from people. Everyone else (T3, Clasko, Hockey) are town reads for me and are off the table.

Well for one thing I can be 100% sure of with your POE down to two is that I know I’m town, and don’t know what role LQ is. So if LQ flips red from this, it means to me your town pool has scum in it for sure or you are actually scum which I actually don’t exactly believe you are.

[Egix96]

While I was out of the house today, I had a random idea that I should take another look at Roden. Since there isn't much going on itt rn, I guess I may as well do that now.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

This is something that gave me town vibes early on, because it reminds me of how I used to feel when I was new to mafia games and I was getting fed up from losing my first few games.

UNVOTE:

The wagon on LQ built up a little too fast. I think it's weird that he's focused on me saying "honestly" once, and he's clearly panicking and scrambling to avoid getting elim'd. But this is feeling more like a townie flail than a scum flail. Like, less like his back is against the wall and more like he got ganged up on and he doesn't think it's fair. Plus, there's basically been zero resistance to this wagon. If LQ is scum, then his scum buddy would have to be bussing him extremely early into the game.

**If we can't find a better choice by EoD then I'll most likely put my vote back on him.**

But we've still got seven IRL days left until Day 1 ends, and I don't think voting someone out early is a good idea. We should get more info from more people so we can look for associatives when we get a flip.

The part I've emphasised here seems to go against what this whole post was leading up to. I'm just thinking, if you had a chance of voting him anyway, then why defend him?

First scum is almost guaranteed to be between LQ and Margot btw. It's pinging me as TvS pretty hard. Pretty sure we can turbo elim both if the first one flips green.

I'm giving this post the benefit of the doubt until both Quickety and Margot's alignments are known, but I think that whether or not this post turns out to be wrong or right will be a hint as to Roden's alignment.

If you're voting Clasko, it should be because he voted T3 when he isn't even a scum read.

Slight town vibes from this.

I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.

I disagree. Aorn I would almost always vote Margot before Quickety.

Why would I look bad if Clasko flips red? I don't think it was a slip, I genuinely just think you guys are interpreting his post poorly.

Slight T vibes from this too.

Strange saying "we cannot let slips just pass by" just feels like a shade attempt without having to commit to it. Which makes me they Strange + Clasko most likely isn't ever a pairing since Strange seems fine with suggesting Clasko is scum. If it was distancing I think it would be more overt.

This essentially takes something I had written a couple of posts above and expands on it. I'm not entirely sure it's AI but I still wanna make a note of it.

387 (Not quoting to save space) - Hrm, this has me doubting my "almost always" above, since Quickety siding with Strange's intentionally-bad push is another >__> moment for him.

[Egix96]

VOTE: MargotRosa

I think this helps us solve other slots more easily, while still having ~roughly the same chance to flip scum.