mini normal 2226; who won

[Titus]

Both alignments would say I have been wrong.

[Datisi]

1082 is where the crazy crusade against meg begins

ngl i really want luke to be scum because the only time (that i recall right now, at least) i had seen someone go from almost 0 to 100 and pushing someone in that aggressive of a manner was when they were scum

luke, have you ever done something like that as town?

[Titus]

I don’t know.

The reason T3 is in the town block is because Star Wars.
If Star Wars didn’t happen then we’d be looking at a different game.

I know this is a shit answer but I think it’s the best I can do.

T3 is not in because Star Wars

I am the person who defined Star Wars and in my townreads T3 is definitely in because Star Wars.

i'm lazily skimming through d1 to see if i find anything interesting, math was this ever explained? if no, can you explain it now?

this coupled with t3 being dead n1 makes me anxious and i'm trying to trust titus but should i really do that

Datisi, you can trust me without sheeping me. What does this have to do with trusting me though?

[Datisi]

oh, that was me saying "i really want to believe that titus is right about mathblade being town, but that post makes me doubt him again"

[Datisi]

i am getting cold feet on alchemist because he's pushing titus and i'm not sure scum would be pushing titus here

but he's not doing much of anything else and i'm not sure if the above is enough to offset the rest of his play

[Titus]

oh, that was me saying "i really want to believe that titus is right about mathblade being town, but that post makes me doubt him again"

This is evidence of the confrontational nature I have been townreading Math for. Scum!Math would not antagonize and accept a read, unless the reason was a total fabrication. Here, Math has to have the read be accurate according to his logic and he doesn't care who he upsets.

Because Starwars means for reasons I can't or won't explain, which usually includes gut reads and PR suspicions.

[Lukewarm]

1082 is where the crazy crusade against meg begins

ngl i really want luke to be scum because the only time (that i recall right now, at least) i had seen someone go from almost 0 to 100 and pushing someone in that aggressive of a manner was when they were scum

luke, have you ever done something like that as town?

I can say for sure that I have never done it as scum.

As town yes, when I get tired of a day phase, I have decided to call in the votes before.

I did something similar in forest fire, but maybe not quite as aggressively. Once I got tired of the day, I blatantly started trying to corral votes on a wagon.

Spoiler:

Infinity, lets vote hectic!!

Every single wagon appears to stall out pretty hard. We gotta get a few people on the same page at some point. You + me + skitter all have hectic in out poe, and I think we could round up the votes from T3/HEM

If we leave it with me pushing Prism, Skitter pushing hectic, You pushing skitter, Prism pushing hem/Ydra, hectic pushing child, then we are never going to get a wagon to pass

The time has come. Lets kill someone

But seriously, we have to consolidate at some point, and we are past when the day should have ended originally.

Why does literally every single wagon feel like pulling teeth. Like even when Monkey was on the chopping block, hectic and ydra and T3 and You were all arguing against it.

And I also did it in another game, also pretty aggressively like this one, but not really in a way that I want to look back on it / point you to it

[Lukewarm]

Before that "Infinity lets vote hectic!!" post, I don't think that I was not even voting for hectic myself lol

(Although, I did not succeed at pushing out hectic that day, the tactic did result in everyone consolidating onto someone pretty quickly after that that day)

[Lukewarm]

Oh. Just thought of a third game where I did that lol

[Datisi]

another thing i notice rn is that luke's main suspects are alch and koba when i have been pretty loud in wanting to kill alch and there's a decent wagon there, while koba is being dumb and antagonizing titus and gamma is also willing to vote there

especially with the way in his wall where he just goes "yep vulture sure does look like an umlaut partner" with no actual thoughts on it?

actual links would be appreciated, though maybe it's not that important as your "why would i do that as scum" defense which you had used a couple of times already, though maybe not as a general defense, seems like motive enough to do it

[Gamma Emerald]

game just finished -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

main reason why im so skeptical of this interaction between titus/math where math is shielded by titus (?) while titus knows the very last time before this game they were town against scum!math she got pocketed to no end and manipulated to take me down with her

This is actually fair and a valid criticism...to a point.

Just because I read Math wrong before, it doesn't invalidate what I am seeing. It makes any meta argument less persuasive but I'm largely not townreading Math by meta.

Second, I have been fooled by you before too which is, under your logic, grounds to be suspicious of you.

I'm tossing you several branches of logic that should tell you im town and you're intentionally swatting them aside in favor of maintaining this tunnel

Tossing me a branch would be answering my questions.

Telling me I've been wrong in the past is just a fact, not sound logic.

It’s also a discredit

[Lukewarm]

Oh. Just thought of a third game where I did that lol

Where it started in my iso

I was voting for marci like 3 posts before I start this wild journey to end up begging people to vote for hopkirk.

[Lukewarm]

especially with the way in his wall where he just goes "yep vulture sure does look like an umlaut partner" with no actual thoughts on it?

Did you open the spoiler? Umlaut had 3 total posts on vulture. All three are very weak town reads, but very much in a way that looks like they could be purposefully trying to not look like they were defending him if he did flip, and leaving him leeway to bus if needed.

This squarely in the area that I expect the average scum player to put their partners. Which is in the (weak scum to weak town) range, but without a lot of reasons / casing.

Compare that you where he was giving stronger town reads to you and me, and to where he was giving stronger scumreads on flubber.

[Datisi]

i did open the spoiler

the first two quotes are meh, and i'd have expected you to give a bit more thoughts on the third one, to take into account the wagon movements or whatever at the time, as opposed to just saying "ye looks like partner"

[Lukewarm]

i did open the spoiler

the first two quotes are meh, and i'd have expected you to give a bit more thoughts on the third one, to take into account the wagon movements or whatever at the time, as opposed to just saying "ye looks like partner"

Dude, I spent like 2 straight hours trying to get caught up last night. I was looking specifically at Umlaut's iso at that point, and did not have the time/energy to look at wagon movements around each person when I was looking at every single slot's interactions in his iso.

"These posts look exactly like what I expect the average scum to post about their partner" is the best I was going to be able to offer.

[Titus]

@Datisi, what do you think of Umlaut's posts in light of the wagon movement on Vulture?

[Titus]

@Math, Do you have any input on what I steal tonight?

[MathBlade]

I don’t know.

The reason T3 is in the town block is because Star Wars.
If Star Wars didn’t happen then we’d be looking at a different game.

I know this is a shit answer but I think it’s the best I can do.

T3 is not in because Star Wars

I am the person who defined Star Wars and in my townreads T3 is definitely in because Star Wars.

i'm lazily skimming through d1 to see if i find anything interesting, math was this ever explained? if no, can you explain it now?

this coupled with t3 being dead n1 makes me anxious and i'm trying to trust titus but should i really do that

It’s explained D2. Iso me there. Running late for work or I would do it myself and quote it.

I always have Titus in my paranoia list.

[Datisi]

@Datisi, what do you think of Umlaut's posts in light of the wagon movement on Vulture?

2223?

[Lukewarm]

another thing i notice rn is that luke's main suspects are alch and koba when i have been pretty loud in wanting to kill alch and there's a decent wagon there, while koba is being dumb and antagonizing titus and gamma is also willing to vote there

You don't like that I ended with koba and alch, when I was explicitly asked to take Chaos off the table?

I have all of Titus, you, math, Not_Mafia, ari and gamma as varying degrees of town.

Which of those people in my town reads do you think should not be there?

[MathBlade]

oh, that was me saying "i really want to believe that titus is right about mathblade being town, but that post makes me doubt him again"

This is evidence of the confrontational nature I have been townreading Math for. Scum!Math would not antagonize and accept a read, unless the reason was a total fabrication. Here, Math has to have the read be accurate according to his logic and he doesn't care who he upsets.

Because Starwars means for reasons I can't or won't explain, which usually includes gut reads and PR suspicions.

@Math, Do you have any input on what I steal tonight?

Money. You love money lol.

In seriousness I am a ton of pages behind and sped read what I think I responded to today so I wouldn’t begin to know how to answer that.

[Datisi]

yeah, y'all are welcome for trying to keep the obvious power role with a guilty alive, why is the omega wagon a thing again?

That's not what I was seeing. I don't think that was the consensus.

Not saying you're scum with Omega but I don't buy this but maybe I was wrong. I identified you as the slot with the guilty but it makes sense if you thought someone else did.

*facepalm* Cries in sad.

Now that you’ve said that the entire time I was trying to shade Datisi poorly so he doesn’t get shot

You told me to be a Sophie and it’s really hard for me to manipulate scum kills when everyone is trying to be scummy. Like really freakin hard to Sophie this.

T3 was hard enough.

figured. however, this does not ease my scum!math paranoia.

[MathBlade]

yeah, y'all are welcome for trying to keep the obvious power role with a guilty alive, why is the omega wagon a thing again?

That's not what I was seeing. I don't think that was the consensus.

Not saying you're scum with Omega but I don't buy this but maybe I was wrong. I identified you as the slot with the guilty but it makes sense if you thought someone else did.

*facepalm* Cries in sad.

Now that you’ve said that the entire time I was trying to shade Datisi poorly so he doesn’t get shot

You told me to be a Sophie and it’s really hard for me to manipulate scum kills when everyone is trying to be scummy. Like really freakin hard to Sophie this.

T3 was hard enough.

figured. however, this does not ease my scum!math paranoia.

Nothing should?

A good town player will always be paranoid of a good scum player like me. Nothing can and nothing should alleviate that paranoia. So a deep wolf (which I don’t think you are) has to do the same. So like okay?

[Datisi]

another thing i notice rn is that luke's main suspects are alch and koba when i have been pretty loud in wanting to kill alch and there's a decent wagon there, while koba is being dumb and antagonizing titus and gamma is also willing to vote there

You don't like that I ended with koba and alch, when I was explicitly asked to take Chaos off the table?

I have all of Titus, you, math, Not_Mafia, ari and gamma as varying degrees of town.

Which of those people in my town reads do you think should not be there?

i don't think that for any of them necessarily, mostly because i'm not familiar enough with your thought process as to why you're townreading them to be able to say that they shouldn't be there. and even if you told me more about why you're townreading every single one, it might not be enough because i'm not sure if that's even possible for me to say with the current knowledge of the game and you

have you explained your trs on math and ari further than in the looking for associates post?

also, the way you say it makes me think you're stull suspecting chaos?

[Lukewarm]

@Datisi, what do you think of Umlaut's posts in light of the wagon movement on Vulture?

2223?

I just followed that back to look at the umlaut posts there, looking at wagon movement. Based on the vote count at 1025, here is every movement in the last 100 posts before that

Chaos : Unvote Lukewarm
Titus : Vulture -> Chaos
Math : Vulture -> Meg

So, I am not quite as sure that Umlaut would really need to be as worried about the vulture wagon any more at that point?