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[Andresvmb]

I clearly don’t think the content is AI here. If I did, I would be voting Kyouko, since I so thoroughly disagree.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.

Tell me how this is helpful to the Town. If I picked this out, in that I thought the IC is hinting at something that might be useful later, but not stating it directly, then why clarify it without asking first? You’ll also notice that from some commentary that came in later, that it’s just wrong.

It's not necessarily wrong though, Jolyene confirmed the info only states there are 2 scum and no encryptors, but their info makes no promises about how many of those 2 scum are traitors.

If it is wrong, what does that mean to you? I feel like you're going in circles with lines of questioning that don't lead to anything useful. Mostly rhetorical questions, and you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?

[Andresvmb]

If it is wrong, what does that mean to you? I feel like you're going in circles with lines of questioning that don't lead to anything useful. Mostly rhetorical questions, and you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?

Why do you think I’m going in circles? I’m questioning DW’s thoughts and conclusions based on the one post of yours I think is all wrong. Why is that circular? And most of my questions aren’t rhetorical. You think they’re going nowhere because you TR DW.

[Dwlee99]

Did you read 224?

[Andresvmb]

you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?

What you’re implying here is just false, but you do you.

I TR Kazyan for 64 (just seemed a bit bad for Scum), but now I’m realizing it might have been said sarcastically, in which case I can’t say I have a good reason for it.

[Andresvmb]

Did you read 224?

What do you think the answer to this is?

[Andresvmb]

you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?

What you’re implying here is just false, but you do you.

I TR Kazyan for 64 (just seemed a bit bad for Scum), but now I’m realizing it might have been said sarcastically, in which case I can’t say I have a good reason for it.

And early reads lists can be done by either alignment, so I’m not putting too much stock in that just yet. I would tend to lean positively on it, but it’s not a big plus or anything.

[Dwlee99]

Did you read 224?

What do you think the answer to this is?

Yes but you said you were questioning me not that you had questioned me and I thought you might have missed it cause you didn't follow up

[Kazyan]

"Fake and sus" was a joke, yes.

[Kazyan]

I probably should have kept my mouth shut so that we can continue to have productive conversation instead of arguing about gags again, but, honesty.

[Ythan]

Alright let's look at this game some.

[Ythan]

Happy birthday Dwlee!

[Ythan]

You can TMI your partner this early by latching on to something insignificant that they did and scumreading them for it.

What? Hahaha I’m sorry but I just disagree. Why is this not just standard Scum trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to justify a bad read? It’s the TMI part of your argument I’m getting totally stuck on. If there’s 2 Scum, my instinct tells me that they’re not doing what you’re looking for here.

I didnt know there were 2 scum when I made that post

Okay but assume this has the standard 3 then. I still don’t think Scum’s first instinct is to blow up their Partner by highlighting something small they did. I just… don’t get why that’s your first instinct.

Doesn't seem outlandish to me. I think this might be the mountains and molehills, will review after catchup.

[Dwlee99]

Thank you ^-^

[Ythan]

and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.

Tell me how this is helpful to the Town. If I picked this out, in that I thought the IC is hinting at something that might be useful later, but not stating it directly, then why clarify it without asking first?

I mean this is a good point that 226 doesn't address. Notice I trimmed leaving just the part I'm referencing, ie why

[Ythan]

Okay it's 2am and I'm tired of looking at ms so I'm not gonna start looking at isos right now. Peace.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 1.2

MargotRosa (2)ssbm_Kyouko;Dwlee99;

ssbm_Kyouko (2)Nixie;geraintm;

geraintm (2)GrandpaMo;Ythan;

Ythan

JacksonVirgo

(2)AliceK;Nathann;

AliceK (1)

Jolyne

;

GrandpaMo (1)Andresvmb;

Andresvmb (1)MargotRosa;

Jolyne

(1)DrippingGoofball;

Dwlee99 (1)Kazyan;

Not Voting(0)

Kazyan (0)

Nixie (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Nathann (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 13 alive it is 7 to execute.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-08-24 18:10:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

The above votecount is still valid.

MargotRosa is being replaced.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.

Tell me how this is helpful to the Town. If I picked this out, in that I thought the IC is hinting at something that might be useful later, but not stating it directly, then why clarify it without asking first?

I mean this is a good point that 226 doesn't address. Notice I trimmed leaving just the part I'm referencing, ie why

I didn't address it because I was starting to feel like Andres was asking questions for the sake of asking questions. Asking "how does this help town" has so many subjective answers and I felt like regardless of what I answered it would be met with "How does [your answer] help town?" - this is what I mean by going in circles with Andre's. I dont think the questions he's asking are meant to sort me; it doesn't seem like there's any good faith there.

[Nathann]

I know anti town behavior isn't automatically scum you clown but it's the best thing I have to go on right now and it does stick out to me more than anything else going on.

Did I strike a nerve? Yes, I figured you know that, which is why your retort of "what's the purpose from a Town POV?" makes me wary. I get that he was sticking out, but it looked like sticking out in a Townie manner.

but if it's actually consistent with 'typical' scum theater, then that's more interesting.

I'm not saying I think they're Scum together, I was just pointing out that the interaction didn't seem like anything too difficult to fake.

Kazyan, I noticed that you were focusing a lot on potential team reads (202, 198, 165). Is this something that you usually do? Oh, regarding your Dwlee read, what gave you the feeling of opportunism regarding their interaction with Ythan?

[Jolyne]

gameing

[Nathann]

Anyway, I’m going to say Kazyan is Town. So perhaps let’s not execute there. Nathann is maybe Town but probably too early for that read and seems competent.

Ahaha, I love the paranoia when I haven't even done anything yet. Do you have a read on Kazyan outside of 64?

Writing down that a typo (which really is the simplest explanation since someone else immediately interpreted it that way before the clarification came) was actually a Traitor crumb is a

real

stretch.

I don't see the issue in both recognizing that a typo was made and what it was supposed to say, and theorizing that the typo was maybe done on purpose as a Traitor crumb. And I'm kind of weirded out at your question later that Dwlee should've made a distinction between the two paragraphs. Do you think Dwlee is scummy for not having done that?

[AliceK]

I have some time to catch up.

[AliceK]

Kazyan progression is quite random which I think comes from Town. Geraintm also gives good vibes. I will keep my vote where it is.

[Jolyne]

Kazyan progression is quite random which I think comes from Town. Geraintm also gives good vibes. I will keep my vote where it is.

Ellaborate.

[Andresvmb]

this is what I mean by going in circles with Andre's. I dont think the questions he's asking are meant to sort me; it doesn't seem like there's any good faith there.

Look I’m going to be direct. I thought your idea that it was a Traitor crumb was paranoid, and most likely incorrect, so I wanted to challenge it. I didn’t like DW just saying it was a Town thought process, and completely ignoring the content. DW is probably right in that you’re likely Town because when you were Scum you were happy to ignore me and just call me Town, and now you’re happy to wrongly say I have bad faith because I thought your idea was bad. You can’t read me for shit at least we know that.