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[Andresvmb]

Do you have a read on Kazyan outside of 64?

Their readslist seemed fine, but I do agree with (I think it was) you when you pointed out that the vote didn’t match the strongest SR. That seemed interesting.

[Ythan]

I get that he was sticking out, but it looked like sticking out in a Townie manner.

Don't see what you're seeing.

[Andresvmb]

And I'm kind of weirded out at your question later that Dwlee should've made a distinction between the two paragraphs. Do you think Dwlee is scummy for not having done that?

I think it’s Scummy that DW called a whole post Towny thoughts, was challenged on the content of the post they said contained a Towny thought process (even though clearly they don’t think all of the content makes sense), and then narrowed the scope of their comment to the first paragraph when the second paragraph clearly follows from the first (and said the second paragraph was NAI). What I guess I’m saying is that we could be seeing fake reasoning for a read (that I think is correct, funny enough). It just seemed like a really superficial read to me.

Look I want to figure out who is Town and who is Scum. Of course. But part of this is also to try and figure out who I can also somewhat rely on to complement my view of the game. If I’m going wrong, I’m more likely to change course and correct myself if I can trust that (i) someone else is Town

and

(ii) that I can trust their opinion.

[Andresvmb]

Geraintm also gives good vibes.

Can you try to verbalize why?

[Dwlee99]

Why say more word when few do trick

[Andresvmb]

Why say more word when few do trick

Okay.

[Jolyne]

im tabling dwlee andres and kyouko today

[Kazyan]

I'm not saying I think they're Scum together, I was just pointing out that the interaction didn't seem like anything too difficult to fake.

Kazyan, I noticed that you were focusing a lot on potential team reads (202, 198, 165). Is this something that you usually do? Oh, regarding your Dwlee read, what gave you the feeling of opportunism regarding their interaction with Ythan?

I don't usually do that, and in fact, I'm usually pretty thumbs-down about pre-flip associatives. However, I'm used to there being 40 pages by this point instead of 11, so it's easier for me make weak statements about pairings rather than strong statements about individuals.

I don't remember exactly why it was 'opportunistic' to me--I think it was just an addendum to my main point about the 0% gamesolve power--but I just didn't like the "Ythan is actually posting? sus!" sentiment. This is a pretty quiet dame, so poo-poohing someone who looks like they're about to generate a lot of content seems really counter to town's win condition.

Still, Dwlee is currently one of those cases where the evidence seems to point to scum, so that's where I should vote...but for whatever reason, my heart isn't in it.

Kazyan progression is quite random which I think comes from Town. Geraintm also gives good vibes. I will keep my vote where it is.

People have already asked Alice to 'elaborate' here, but I'm instead going to point out that these are some pretty limp takes.

VOTE: DGB, by the way, for lurking. Live by the shadow realm, die by the shadow realm.

I also want to talk about Nixie for a second:

Alice, dwlee, geraintm are the three scum. We can pack it up.

I like the things you're saying, but the way you're saying them doesn't lock you in as town yet. Now that we know there are only two scum, which of these three do you think is the townie? Or does the calculus change entirely?

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Enchant replaces Margot Rosa

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Vote Count 1.3

MargotRosa (2)ssbm_Kyouko;Dwlee99;

ssbm_Kyouko (2)Nixie;geraintm;

geraintm (2)GrandpaMo;Ythan;

Ythan

JacksonVirgo

(2)AliceK;Nathann;

AliceK (1)

Jolyne

;

GrandpaMo (1)Andresvmb;

Andresvmb (1)MargotRosa;

Jolyne

(1)DrippingGoofball;

DrippingGoofball (1)Kazyan;

Dwlee99 (0)

Not Voting(0)

Kazyan (0)

Nixie (0)

Nathann (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 13 alive it is 7 to execute.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-08-24 18:10:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

DrippingGoofball has been prodded.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Enchant, who else is in your hood?

[Enchant]

Enchant, who else is in your hood?

I am your alt.

[Jolyne]

Can we get more votes on Alice

[Dwlee99]

What's wrong with Alice?

[Jolyne]

So anyways - people should never be cleared for assuming 3 scum at the start of game before I outted it - Last time we had a funny setup like this with info like this, the scum were also informed of a town player having the info. I assume the same is present here. However - those that mistakenly thought my info was referring to traitors being possible are pretty much townslipped. That's why this setup is so troll because stuff like this gives town free clears out of the social aspect of assumptions being inherently different from scum to town.

[Jolyne]

My info is:

There are only 2 mafia.

There is no daytalk1

Are you certain your information is written in a way that is not up to interpretation? For example, is it possible there is a traitor, or is it possible there are 2 mafia goons and an unspecified number of non-vanilla mafia members?

i.e. why kyouko is pretty much conftown based on reaction to info.

[Jolyne]

Andres reaction too implies that they were uninformed of this - which is why I am tabling them and Dwlee is town for other reasons.

[Jolyne]

Basically this setup is piss easy to exploit against noob scum.

[Kazyan]

So anyways - people should never be cleared for assuming 3 scum at the start of game before I outted it - Last time we had a funny setup like this with info like this, the scum were also informed of a town player having the info. I assume the same is present here. However - those that mistakenly thought my info was referring to traitors being possible are pretty much townslipped. That's why this setup is so troll because stuff like this gives town free clears out of the social aspect of assumptions being inherently different from scum to town.

I'm not sure if it's even necessary that scum knew that you had the info. It seems like an obvious fake-assumption to make that this game has the default number of scum.

[DkKoba]

I'm not accepting criticism.

[Jolyne]

I'm not accepting criticism.

Me, alt slipping for the 1000th time

[Jolyne]

although this isn't one of my stealth alts, but rather a theme alt so we vibing anyways

[Dwlee99]

KOBA

Why are you always on an alt and always slip lmaoo

[Dwlee99]

The Jojo koba

[Ythan]

Hi Koba.