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[Gamma Emerald]

Has everyone checked in?

yes, at some point or another

[LicketyQuickety]

Has everyone checked in?

yes, at some point or another

Kitty? Even?

[Gamma Emerald]

I legit forgot she was in this game 0_0

[Dragon of the West]

If I die please exile DoTW in my honour.

You still never made an actual case against me?

Do I need one? Basic VCA outs you. Plus your play today is super cute wolfy style.

I don't think I was even on Cyrus yesterday? So idk what your VCA tells you. I think you're just misreading the situation but you do you. I think you're just ruffled because I suggested you might be scum

[TemporalLich]

VC 3.6

MegAzumarill

(7)

- Dwlee99, Dragon of the West, Shrek, Roden, CheekyTeeky, DrippingGoofball, Gamma Emerald

[EXILED!]

Shrek (2) - Nero Cain, ArcAngel9
DrippingGoofball (1) - LicketyQuickety

Not voting: Almost50, KittyTacky, MegAzumarill

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-28 00:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

[TemporalLich]

MegAzumarill has been exiled! They were a

Mafia Goon

Spoiler: MegAzumarill

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Welcome, MegAzumarill! You are a

Mafia Goon

, aligned with the

Mafia

.

Abilities:
• You have no special abilities.

Factional Abilities:
• You are a member of the Mafia,

[redacted]

. Your Private Topic is here:

[redacted]

• Each night, one member of the Mafia may perform the Mafia factional nightkill if they are not otherwise acting.

Win Condition:

•

You win when all the threats to the

Mafia

are gone and at least one

Mafioso

is still alive, or when nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm your Role PM by replying with your role and alignment, or by posting in the Mafia PT.

Night 3 has begun! Please send in your night actions within (expired on 2021-08-20 21:00:00). Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.

[TemporalLich]

No one has died during the night...

Day 4 has begun!

VC 4.0

Not voting: Almost50, DrippingGoofball, Nero Cain, KittyTacky, Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99, CheekyTeeky, LicketyQuickety, ArcAngel9, Dragon of the West, Roden, Shrek

With 12 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-08-30 21:30:00) or when an exile is reached.

[LicketyQuickety]

Fair warning, this post is largely IIoA

Premise

Why does Mega claim that Cheeky visited DGB N2? That seems like utter suicide if Cheeky was RBed. If DGB was RBed, then wouldn't Cheeky still get a result? If DGB were Rolestopped then Shrek would be semi-innocent. If Cheeky was RBed, then Shrek is guilty. But if Mega didn’t know Cheeky’s result, then DGB was either Rolestoped or Abducted. That still says nothing about DGB/Shrek so we have to look at other data to sort DGB/Shrek given I am alive now.

Progression

DrippingGoofball

Spoiler: Progression on Mega

:

In 479 DBG says, quoting Mega, “I’m Town binning this player.”
DGB chainsaws Mega against Shek in 503. For some reason, DGB TRs Nero for making the case against Mega and SRs Shrek for agreeing with Nero. In Mega’s case against Nero, DGB puts down essentially a FoS on Mega in 505.
513 and 617 (back to back posts) are interesting.
In 1231 DGB says explicitly they don’t SR Mega.
Then Mega doesn’t turn up until 2884 where DGB sides with Mega against Cheeky.
DGB shades both Shrek and Mega in 3095, which further confirms both Shrek and Mega are not Scum if DGB is Scum. Shrek would have to be Town then.
In 3172 DGB says Cheeky’s claim is just as bad as Mega’s.
In 3236 and 3244, DGB finally gets around to SRing Mega and makes their last 2 posts.

Shrek

Spoiler: Progression on Mega

:

Reads List in 839 says this about Mega: Null: mega - has actively been trying to solve, but nero has raised good points against him. i would put him at lean town if it werent for his interaction with nero to begin with
Strong SR on Mega in 1125 accompanied by a vote.
In 1127 says there is resistance to Mega. Reiterates in 1129.
In 1211 asks DGB if they SR Mega. In 1234 Prods DGB about what they think of the case on Mega. In 1269 tells DGB to look at the case on Mega.
Still pressures Mega in 1449.
In 1459 says they have Mega as leading in Elim order.
In 1466 votes Gamma because the Mega wagon didn’t take.
In 1676 says this: "mega - literally self explanatory. disappeared for half the last phase after not tryin to scumsolve at all and i wouldnt mind him flipping today"
In 1696 says I should have Mega in my low impact players list.
In 1733 votes Mega again.
In 1750 says Red Mega makes Cheeky Green.
Calls out Mega on the BS of reading them in 1760.
1775 Shades Mega.
Says “mega who is almost certainly scum” in 1878.
Tells Nero in 1901 they want to lynch Mega before Cyrus.
In 1947 tells me to ISO Mega.
“i want mega over cyrus” in 2099.
Stops the pressure on Mega to vote for Cyrus and says we will catch Mega with their claim, which is exactly what happened.
In 2635 says we should have Limed Mega.
Pressures Mega in 2733. Says they want one of Cheeky or Mega gone in 3152 with a vote on Mega. Gives reasons for SRing Mega in 3160. Puts pressure on Mega for 3 more posts.

DrippingGoofball

Spoiler: Progression on Cheeky

:

In 357 Cheeky asks DGB if they SR both Shrek and Roden. DGB say Roden is more likely Scum.
Vote’s Cheeky in 509 with very poor reasoning IMO.
In 513, DGB gets the order reversed and says if Cheeky flips Red then Mega is Green.
In 778 DGB chainsaws Mega to Cheeky.
In 2250 DGB tells Cheeky they are 1-Shot.
2287: You’re welcome!
2308 looks like a buddy attempt.
2610 is a WIFOM read on Gamma in response to Cheeky asking about them.
In 2642 DGB calls Cheeky Scum.
In 2883 DGB calls both Shrek and Cheeky Scum.
In 2886 DGB asks what Cheeky’s claim is.

Shrek

Spoiler: Progression on Cheeky

:

In Reads List: “cheeky - i honestly think that the interaction between her and nero right now is strictly tvt… I'm putting him the highest outta everyone.” in 177.
Reads list in 839 cheeky - i dont entirely agree with the reads list they posted but its basically the same case as with lq where i cant see them being partnered with anyone.
Lots of cooperation with Cheeky until:
Asks for a Town block including Cheeky in 1463.
“me/cheeky/lq/nero/possibly roden is the townbloc” in 1676.
1677 “cheeky is not scum wtf are you smoking”
1682 “i'm hard town reading cheeky”
Some cooperation, and defending Cheeky, then,
“cheeky is obvtown” in 1864.
3146 “n1 im sure i wasnt blocked because std visited cheeky”

DrippingGoofball

Spoiler: Progression on Shrek

:

Empty shade on Shrek in 503.
Goes directly against Shrek as a principle in 1165. Continues in 2131.
In 1266 DGB, in response to Shrek says they “forgot the case” against Mega. In 1287 DGB, in response to Shrek, acknowledges the case on Mega and says, “I can see it” but does nothing with it.
Next mention of Shrek by DGB is in 2641 where DGB naked votes Shrek.
DGB complains about Shrek being Scum until 3041 where DGB finally is asking questions about what happened to trying to get Shek in the hood?
DGB goes back to saying the opposite to Shrek in 3172.

Shrek

Spoiler: Progression on DGB

:

Reads List in 839 “inconclusive: dgb - wanna say that hes town based on how it seems like hes actively tryin to sort and scumsolve but i am completely unfamiliar with his style of play
In 895 “dgb's take makes me want to move them up to leans town”
“i agree with dgb’s play here actually.” 1850.
1904 “idk what motivation dgb would have to fake claim especially if its to save mega.”
To Cyrus: “what do you think of dgb’s PR claim then? are they faking it?” In 2076.
“i completely understand where dgb/lq are coming from so do NOT get on them either just yet” In 2668.
2720 “cheeky dgb isnt ascetic. im a tracker and dgb didnt perform an action last night which means it was either rbed or is lying about what it is”
3134 “dgb may have actually targeted me but it didnt show up then”
3183 “why would scum choose to rb cheeky randomly when dgb not being able to add someone to its hood is an infinitely better option"

DrippingGoofball

Spoiler: (Bonus) Progression on Roden

:

111 is Sketchy since it looks like DGB is drawing at straws on a read like that.
118 and 121 look a bit like early distancing with Roden (confirmed in 343).
In 618 DGB posts a “WTF?” at Roden and then starts to TR them in 621, for what I can see of very little reason.
618 is very weird because Roden says, “You're pushing a false narrative that Mega wants you bussed.” I can see no reason why DGB wants to TR Roden for that post (this post came up earlier).
DGB makes a very WIFOM-y read on Roden in 786.
There’s a huge gap where there’s not mention/interaction between Roden and DGB and they now have a strong TR on Roden at this point in the game (see 2604).

Town/Scum Analysis

DrippingGoofball

Spoiler: Town/Scum

Here’s a list of number and times that DGB calls a player Town/Scum (In cohesive order):

Here’s a fancy way of interpreting DGB’s reads (given DGB is Scum):

Scum = Town
Mixed = Town
Town = Scum

Town

Cheeky 0/10

Shrek 0/5
Cyrus 1/4

StD 1/1
Gamma 1/1

T3 2/1

AA9 1/0
A50 1/0

DW 2/0

Nero 3/0
Roden 3/0

Everyone DGB has called Scum is actually Town if Kitty and Shek are Town that is. That means Kitty and Shrek are both Town (See 3035) because of them being outliers and them being SR. We know Cheeky is confirmed Town. And Shrek resolves as Town with a DGB Scum flip. So we can reasonably guess that Kitty is Town as well.

Shrek

Spoiler: Town/Scum

Here’s a list of number and times that DGB calls a player Town/Scum (in cohesive order):

Interpreting Shek's reads (given Shek is Scum):

Scum = Town
Town = Town
Mixed = Mixed
N/A = N/A

Cyrus 0/4
Cheeky 7/0
Nero 6/0
DW 5/0

Roden 3/0
Norweirgh 2/0
StD 0/2

A50 1/0
Gamma 1/0
DGB 1/0

T3 1/4
Mega 1/5

Kitty 0/0
AA9 0/0
DotW 0/0

Results are a bit inconclusive. It's possible Shek's Null Reads are Scum, but that would be weird given the mixed results are Null.

Non-Associatives

DrippingGoofball

On a DGB Red flip:
Soft-Clears: Gamma, DW, Cheeky

Shrek

On a Shrek Red flip:
Clears: AA9, Roden
Soft-Clears: Gamma

Conclusion

These two players could not be more diametrically opposed to each other. They have opposite reads on the Elimed and on each other. Where DGB TR's Mega, Shrek SR's. Where DGB SR's Cheeky, Shrek TR's. And DGB reads Shrek as Scum whereas Shrek reads DGB as Town. To make matter more polar opposite, You could virtually flip the reads upsidown in terms of what reads they gave on all the rest of the players in this game.

If DGB is Scum, then they are likely teamed with a PoE of Roden and/or Nero, and AA9 and/or A50. If Shrek is Scum the PoE is likely DotW, Kitty, and A50.

So that is the information I have for you. Vote wisely.

VOTE: DGB

[Shrek]

wow yall ended that last day phase way too quick lmao. was gonna explain shit but never got the chance

[DrippingGoofball]

Shaking my head in disbelief.

[Shrek]

my claim as tracker was faked to see what mega would say and if he would fall for the bait, but i had to improvise when people asked me for my n1 results. it DID work, though. mega only claimed his results after i claimed tracker meaning that he outed himself as a mafia member immediately. i wanted to see whether or not he would double down on it but i was pulled away from the computer and the day phase ended while i was gone

[Shrek]

also dgb did you take an action last night or no?

[DrippingGoofball]

I mean I appreciate LQ's effort and attention to detail, but I'm less keen on the flim flam.

[Dwlee99]

Well we got em anyway Shrek.

[DrippingGoofball]

also dgb did you take an action last night or no?

No, I was two-shot, I'm essentially vanilla stuck with in a PT with a player that is confirmed town to me but keeps voting me.

[LicketyQuickety]

Thanks, Shrek. I did all that work for exactly nothing.

[Shrek]

also dgb did you take an action last night or no?

No, I was two-shot, I'm essentially vanilla stuck with in a PT with a player that is confirmed town to me but keeps voting me.

you might be able to check to see if your action on the last night went through or not. its not the first time you would have misunderstood something on your role and it would help if we could like. actually focus on finding the scum?? at this point idek

[LicketyQuickety]

Ugh. I hate this.

UNVOTE:

[Shrek]

Thanks, Shrek. I did all that work for exactly nothing.

LMAO

i just wanted to prove mega was full of shit last phase but he never came back. maybe a stupid gambit but a fitting end since nobody wanted to get rid of him for three days in a row at that point

[Shrek]

me, nero, and cheeky are vaguely in the clear since we were scumreading him WAY before it was trendy. im not a fan of roden or gamma’s reactions to my ‘slip up’ yesterday, they feel a little manufactured. gamma especially since he was the one who hammered mega presumably to gain town cred after being wishy washy on him for a long time

[Shrek]

im also vaguely suspicious of dwlee (but to a lesser extent) of trying to pocket me when its clear i was lying about my role, but tbf he did give me the benefit of the doubt which i appreciate. AA9 had mega as ‘probably town’ and never once voted for him, so im also a little wary of her for now

[Dwlee99]

I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.

[Roden]

Shrek you literally got caught lying about your claim and results lol. DGB also got a guilty on you so I'm not sure what you expected? Like even with Mega confirmed to have lied about their results, it doesn't explain how DGB could've got a false guilty on you if Cheeky was the one who got Roleblocked.

[Shrek]

town:
cheeky
nero
LQ
DotW

null:
Dwlee
DGB

scum:
Kitty/AA9/A50??
Roden
Gamma

[LicketyQuickety]

I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.

I guess that means Cheeky RB is back on the table then.