Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Annie Edison]

I was doing trying to Ctrl click thats why we check! It’s hard to do it with split screen when excel cuts off

[Snarky Fishes]

Snarky wants to kill me as well, and AA9 just said she thinks I'm scum now too.

That's 6 players aka more than half. Who's bussing me?

It's ok for you to decide on Day 1 that you want to kill us and dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary.

But it's not ok for us to come around to a scum read on you.

Like I can't really comprehend what sort of gamestate you've constructed that makes sense of a scum-me intention to be dead rather than demonized.

[unwnd]

This game won't ever be fun to me after I realized what we're dealing with, regardless of the makeup of the team. I'm just guessing and following my gut.

I just don't know how I can more plainly show that I don't have a partner.

[Snarky Fishes]

Hey, anyone who's around want to explain to me why scum with four shards to give out uninterrupted over two nights decided to give one to Annie N2 instead of N3 when Annie's ability, that they'd said was good enough to be demonized for, could then be used unimpeded N3? As opposed to one shard to Spiffeh each of N2 and N3?

--PA

Using corruption on manatee N2 meant they could power up 2 players with 2 shards, and Annie was the only player sitting at one shard.

N3 they corrupted me but there wasn't another 1-shard player to split the 2 shards among?

I mean they could have done the 1-each night on N3 instead, but I dunno. Maybe concerns that town had an active ability to mess with sharding?

[Lukewarm]

Hey, anyone who's around want to explain to me why scum with four shards to give out uninterrupted over two nights decided to give one to Annie N2 instead of N3 when Annie's ability, that they'd said was good enough to be demonized for, could then be used unimpeded N3? As opposed to one shard to Spiffeh each of N2 and N3?

--PA

imo, it makes more sense for the fishes to currently be demonized, and for annie to still be sitting at 1 shard, since Annie asked to be demonized day 1

[Snarky Fishes]

I'm not doing the assassin list. I understand this is just going to agitate people more but that's my spitefulness. You don't get any quarter after I've bled for 500+ posts in this game and then some.

Notty has posted more than you and you're voting him so even by your own reasoning the only player that we should have less sympathy toward is you it also sounds like you misplayed if you're town.

I have to go do work and visit the grandparents today so I won't be on much after this morning.
If you wanna be resistant for no reason but spite that's cool. That's your choice. But yeah.


-Bell

[Lukewarm]

Hey, anyone who's around want to explain to me why scum with four shards to give out uninterrupted over two nights decided to give one to Annie N2 instead of N3 when Annie's ability, that they'd said was good enough to be demonized for, could then be used unimpeded N3? As opposed to one shard to Spiffeh each of N2 and N3?

--PA

Using corruption on manatee N2 meant they could power up 2 players with 2 shards, and Annie was the only player sitting at one shard.

N3 they corrupted me but there wasn't another 1-shard player to split the 2 shards among?

I mean they could have done the 1-each night on N3 instead, but I dunno. Maybe concerns that town had an active ability to mess with sharding?

Or something like, double shard spiff night 2, and corrupt manatee

Then night 3 corrupt you, and then shard you + manatee.

They had a path to getting the same number of demons without demonizing annie (who claimed to have a good demonized ability)

It is definitely a weird choice

[Lukewarm]

(unless they are scum )

[Snarky Fishes]

(unless they are scum )

So they decided to claim being demonized and decided to give a town clearing result on Spiffeh because why

-Bell

[Lukewarm]

(unless they are scum )

So they decided to claim being demonized and decided to give a town clearing result on Spiffeh because why

-Bell

lld

They can't lie about being demonized in case she targeted them

And lld cleared spiff before annie did.

[Snarky Fishes]

Hey, anyone who's around want to explain to me why scum with four shards to give out uninterrupted over two nights decided to give one to Annie N2 instead of N3 when Annie's ability, that they'd said was good enough to be demonized for, could then be used unimpeded N3? As opposed to one shard to Spiffeh each of N2 and N3?

--PA

Using corruption on manatee N2 meant they could power up 2 players with 2 shards, and Annie was the only player sitting at one shard.

N3 they corrupted me but there wasn't another 1-shard player to split the 2 shards among?

I mean they could have done the 1-each night on N3 instead, but I dunno. Maybe concerns that town had an active ability to mess with sharding?

Or something like, double shard spiff night 2, and corrupt manatee

Then night 3 corrupt you, and then shard you + manatee.

They had a path to getting the same number of demons without demonizing annie (who claimed to have a good demonized ability)

It is definitely a weird choice

Whichever night(s) they chose for the corruption/sharding, it involved doing things to more players, I think? Which gives hypothetical town power roles (most of which were not known until Day 4 mass claim) more opportunity to interfere with their plan?

I dunno. I don't think this is the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

[unwnd]

I'm not doing the assassin list. I understand this is just going to agitate people more but that's my spitefulness. You don't get any quarter after I've bled for 500+ posts in this game and then some.

Notty has posted more than you and you're voting him so even by your own reasoning the only player that we should have less sympathy toward is you it also sounds like you misplayed if you're town.

I have to go do work and visit the grandparents today so I won't be on much after this morning.
If you wanna be resistant for no reason but spite that's cool. That's your choice. But yeah.


-Bell

I'm just going through the list of 'reasons I am not scum'. Maybe that ticks something in your brain that I'm trying to survive, but I'm not really afraid of doing so, that's where the spite kicks in.

[Medea the Alien]

I don't dispute anything with the thought process of corrupting Manatee and you, SF. And no, there wasn't another player to split the shards between because they hadn't set anything up for that. Order of operations doesn't matter for scum over those two nights except they want to end with three demons in play. Why do it so two demons are powered N3, with one of them holding a claimed powerful role?

As established, the clear on Spiffeh was given after a soft clear from Rhea. They didn't know what the mood would be D4, and they probably figured there was a non-zero chance Spiffeh went down for his Pooky push. It also fits with their pattern of early demonizing less active players. Except Annie.

--PA

P-edit: I didn't say it was a slam dunk. I'm bringing it up as something to consider. Kind of like the idea that scum could have had an active corruptor N1 who corrupted their partner. There are possibilities worth considering in this game.

[Snarky Fishes]

Doing it on N2 would give them the opportunity to pivot/extrapolate if some of the actions failed.

[Snarky Fishes]

I remain worried that Lukewarm is fake enchanted by his own plans and reads.
There's a lack of introspection and I'm worried about that.

Wasn't Notty confused about what her role even did well past the point anybody realized it what she was claiming.

LLD cleared spiffeh because they discovered they weren't a demon?

-Bell

[Snarky Fishes]

I don't dispute anything with the thought process of corrupting Manatee and you, SF. And no, there wasn't another player to split the shards between because they hadn't set anything up for that. Order of operations doesn't matter for scum over those two nights except they want to end with three demons in play. Why do it so two demons are powered N3, with one of them holding a claimed powerful role?

As established, the clear on Spiffeh was given after a soft clear from Rhea. They didn't know what the mood would be D4, and they probably figured there was a non-zero chance Spiffeh went down for his Pooky push. It also fits with their pattern of early demonizing less active players. Except Annie.

--PA

P-edit: I didn't say it was a slam dunk. I'm bringing it up as something to consider. Kind of like the idea that scum could have had an active corruptor N1 who corrupted their partner. There are possibilities worth considering in this game.

That was at lukewarm, not you. And I finished that thought with my last post.

[Medea the Alien]

Speaking of which, Pooky stayed BP as either form. Are we certain the corruptor role has to be goon/non-existent in one form or another?

--PA

[Medea the Alien]

Oh, gotcha, reading while corralling toddler at park, missed it.

--PA

[Snarky Fishes]

I'm not doing the assassin list. I understand this is just going to agitate people more but that's my spitefulness. You don't get any quarter after I've bled for 500+ posts in this game and then some.

Notty has posted more than you and you're voting him so even by your own reasoning the only player that we should have less sympathy toward is you it also sounds like you misplayed if you're town.

I have to go do work and visit the grandparents today so I won't be on much after this morning.
If you wanna be resistant for no reason but spite that's cool. That's your choice. But yeah.


-Bell

I'm just going through the list of 'reasons I am not scum'. Maybe that ticks something in your brain that I'm trying to survive, but I'm not really afraid of doing so, that's where the spite kicks in.

The last player that went through a list of reasons why they aren't scum was scum petapan. Who bussed all of his partners, hard.

-Bell

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

"Manatee was human as of night one"
"Dunn was human as of night two"
"Spiffeh was human as of night three"


I feel like that's clearing only for Spiffeh.

WTF, you think scum-mouse isn't demonic by now?

He's closer to clear than I am right now.

Having spiffeh in your scum pool at daystart is extremely shocking to me, even prior to his clear.

Right, I take that as fairly clearing, given I suspect scum wants to demonize themselves ASAP.

But even before that, the way he cased Pooky comes off as incredibly uninformed.

(^^) Medea talking about how clear spiff was from lld's clear, multiple times before (vv) Annie claiming a clear on Spiff

Spoiler:

We’re a one shot cop. We checked the mouse last night.

He is good.

I wanted it originally day 1 to check Medea but then it felt dumb to check Medea once they were tied to Dunn and the VCA after day 2 looked pretty clear wrt Medea and Dunn, and I spent four hours writing this wall about how rereading interactions spiffy seemed super sus and I was about to go all xeno 2 2.0 then Bork had to tell me he’s town snd im bad at this game

No I didn’t crumb it because *gestures everywhere*

[Lukewarm]

I dunno. I don't think this is the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

I never at any point said it was a slam dunk...

[Snarky Fishes]

I'm not doing the assassin list. I understand this is just going to agitate people more but that's my spitefulness. You don't get any quarter after I've bled for 500+ posts in this game and then some.

Notty has posted more than you and you're voting him so even by your own reasoning the only player that we should have less sympathy toward is you it also sounds like you misplayed if you're town.

I have to go do work and visit the grandparents today so I won't be on much after this morning.
If you wanna be resistant for no reason but spite that's cool. That's your choice. But yeah.


-Bell

I'm just going through the list of 'reasons I am not scum'. Maybe that ticks something in your brain that I'm trying to survive, but I'm not really afraid of doing so, that's where the spite kicks in.

And it's like you think we have some kind of cosmic power to get you dead today. We're not driving either/any option on how to use our ability today to kill someone. I'm a consensus player and I started this hooraw with a consensus seeking question about getting rid of us before we're demonized and removing a consensus scumread in the process.

It's odd that you're focusing so much on our scumread of you and not so much on others who are scumreading you.

[Snarky Fishes]

I dunno. I don't think this is the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

I never at any point said it was a slam dunk...

No, but it appears that you think it is? I mean you're positing a scum-Annie, with the sharding decisions as the smoking gun.

[Snarky Fishes]

This was done under the assumption that scum could demonize themselves.
Which we still have up in the air right now.

In addition, being sharded additionally by scum would make Not-sci look bad. But it also leads to their win condition of turning everyone into demons. By making him look bad it gives scum and opportunity to push him or to mislead the town into thinking Notsci isn't obvious town. Like, I just spent a game where scum kept trying to drop associations on me all game and I had to fight as every town player even slightly inclined to scum read me took the bait and pushed at me for the reason's scum had planned to.

Even though a lot of the time, I had confronted the scum doing it mid-doing it as they were doing it.

Like, how many times am I supposed to buy that you've figured it out, only before kicking a stone and looking sad when you're wrong before I realize it's just an act and you're scum trying as hard as you can to play make believe with your own ideas?
-Bell

[Lukewarm]

I dunno. I don't think this is the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

I never at any point said it was a slam dunk...

No, but it appears that you think it is? I mean you're positing a scum-Annie, with the sharding decisions as the smoking gun.

I responded to medea's post, agreeing that the choice, given the information that I have, seems like a strange choice if annie is town.

You asked me questions, trying to poke holes into why it made sense.

I responded to those.

From my pov, it is just one more thing that lines up with my read.