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[Ythan]

As to your other question*

[Ythan]

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

On second thought this is actually a weird question.

[Ythan]

Also you're the only player not voting?

[Nathann]

Naathan has not even come up with a good scumcase on me either just because I haven't explained my logic. When I have multiple times -- in which I responded and never got a response back -- explained to them.

Okay, then please quote where you have explained your logic. But in a way that's deeper that "*quotes a random post* - this is a Townie thought process". Because I went looking for your reads specifically yesterday, I didn't find much.

And this whole thing about not having a solid Scumcase on you, dude, this is mafia, I have a feeling you would call anything short of a Cop guilty "not a solid Scumcase". But even then, it's Day 1, I am working with what I got. And I got someone that's posting a shit ton of bloat, has minimal reads, and throws a tantrum when someone Scumreads them. Is it a solid Scumcase? Not really, but if I were only voting for those who I had a "solid Scumcase" on, we'd be here for a long time.

[Nathann]

Okay this proves my point. You haven't read my iso -- and have not fully analyzed my mindset. This obviously leads to confbias into pinpointing specific posts (after people have scumread me) to scumread me for and never see a town motive for them. I suggest you doing that + looking at my past games before indulging into my point even more.

Me looking at your ISO was only to see if you actually have reads as you had claimed, I said as much. However, in my skimming, I got the feeling that the vast majority of the posts I skipped were posts like "I'm bored/lazy", random setup specc, or otherwise useless posts that don't actually show much of your mindset.

Later on, I might muster energy to Actually Read your ISO in full and write a post about it, but I feel like anything I say is just going to be met with more rebuttals about it not being a solid Scumcase and asking me to read your meta or whatever, and I'm not sure I have the willpower.

[Ythan]

Pointing to your iso and saying "I've already explained this" (if this isn't demonstrably true) and refusing to engage is a scum tell I actually believe in.

[Nathann]

Ythan

Why is Ythan in your Townreads?

[Nathann]

Pointing to your iso and saying "I've already explained this" (if this isn't demonstrably true) and refusing to engage is a scum tell I actually believe in.

I mean, I went through his ISO yesterday looking specifically looking for his reads and explanations for those, after I was told to do that as he's apparently already posted them. Now, I have been feeling like shit the past few days so I will admit my mistake if I am that blind as to not having seen them, but when the "I've already explained them and I'm not getting a response" keeps repeating... I don't know.

[Dwlee99]

Ythan

Why is Ythan in your Townreads?

He feels natural cause he is talking like I see him do outside of mafia

[Nathann]

Naathan has not even come up with a good scumcase on me either just because I haven't explained my logic. When I have multiple times -- in which I responded and never got a response back -- explained to them.

Sat down for 10 minutes to reread his ISO. This never happened. The only read that has been explained is the Ythan one. Andres/Kyouko/whoever else had been given weak reasons by quoting a post and calling it Townie. Either we're talking way past each other on what is he referring to as responding or explaining, or this is a lie.

[Nathann]

Ythan

Why is Ythan in your Townreads?

He feels natural cause he is talking like I see him do outside of mafia

Do you know if Scum!Ythan has trouble faking his casual tone? Cause if not, that doesn't sound like a great reason to Townread someone.

[Dwlee99]

Ythan

Why is Ythan in your Townreads?

He feels natural cause he is talking like I see him do outside of mafia

Do you know if Scum!Ythan has trouble faking his casual tone? Cause if not, that doesn't sound like a great reason to Townread someone.

It sounds like you don't townread ythan? It isn't the best reason necessarily but it's good enough for me to have him higher than the people lower than him and I don't see a reason to have him lower.

[Nathann]

Ythan

Why is Ythan in your Townreads?

He feels natural cause he is talking like I see him do outside of mafia

Do you know if Scum!Ythan has trouble faking his casual tone? Cause if not, that doesn't sound like a great reason to Townread someone.

It sounds like you don't townread ythan? It isn't the best reason necessarily but it's good enough for me to have him higher than the people lower than him and I don't see a reason to have him lower.

I don't Townread him, I've been saying that for... a while now. His push on geraintm way back pinged me wrong, and the rest of his posts didn't impress. Though, to be fair, this read is probably due for a reread on my part. That's most likely not happening Today as time is running low, there's not a lot of people that would want to vote him, and I'm feeling a bit lazy and don't feel like doing things that I don't have an immediate use for.

[Kazyan]

As to your only question the only wagon with two votes besides Gramps happens to be those exact two players. On Andres who is posting mad content.

To actually answer you though obviously yes.

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

On second thought this is actually a weird question.

I mean, we have a lot of players who have gone practically silent, so we kinda need a huge majority of active players cooperate to avoid a no-lim today, not just n/2 + 1. VOTE: GrandpaMo. Andre, if you're scum, you're really good at providing scumcases on people.

Kyo, if you're out there, please hammer.

[Kazyan]

@geraintm

: Why are you still sitting on No Elimination?

[Kazyan]

I do not love this gamestate. Nixie, AliceK, and gerantim (to a lesser extent) are off in space, and Enchant is one step above active-lurking. The game is going to be unwinnable if that persists; I actually think I want to yeet a lurker today instead of GMo, if there's enough political will left in the town. Does that sound agreeable?

[Nathann]

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

I'm gonna be boring, but I'd actually like to see GrandpaMo's responses first, as well as something from Nixie and Enchant if possible.

[Dwlee99]

I would be willing to switch to enchant fwiw

[Nathann]

Kyo, if you're out there, please hammer.

I do not love this gamestate. Nixie, AliceK, and gerantim (to a lesser extent) are off in space, and Enchant is one step above active-lurking. The game is going to be unwinnable if that persists; I actually think I want to yeet a lurker today instead of GMo, if there's enough political will left in the town. Does that sound agreeable?

These posts being 7 and a half minutes apart sure is A Look.

For the record, I wouldn't mind yeeting a lurker if it shows that they're unlikely to play the game later. Yes, that means Enchant.

[Kazyan]

Lemme start that wagon, then. VOTE: Enchant

[Dwlee99]

I don't Townread him, I've been saying that for... a while now. His push on geraintm way back pinged me wrong, and the rest of his posts didn't impress. Though, to be fair, this read is probably due for a reread on my part. That's most likely not happening Today as time is running low, there's not a lot of people that would want to vote him, and I'm feeling a bit lazy and don't feel like doing things that I don't have an immediate use for.

lol I feel that. Wrt the push on gerain though, I didn't really find it AI cause I think town are likely to scumread the way he plays but if he is town he is also LHF sort of

[Ythan]

I understand time is getting short but asking for a hammer without a claim is also a look.

[geraintm]

@geraintm

: Why are you still sitting on No Elimination?

Because I think it is best for town, we go into day 2 only 1 townie down and a bunch of night actions to help us tomorrow, rather than killing one of us

[geraintm]

And without 2 scumto.hit, our chances of getting lucky today going in blind are even worse than normal

[Nathann]

a bunch of night actions to help us tomorrow

-> A 2v11 game with a confirmed Innocent Child.
-> A bunch of useful Night actions.

Pick one.