mini normal 2226; who won

[Titus]

Doctor isn’t a hard guilty outside of that knowledge that only one scum has a gun

It’s a hard guilty once Jailkeeper is claimed and flipped though.

Not with how nerfed I am. If scum claimed nerfs, it could work.

[MathBlade]

I dunno I just don’t think it balances.

Assuming you’re nerfed then ungated doctor (the only thing in wiki that is immune to gunsmiths) here I don’t see it passing normals.

Even beyond the globally informed 3 people have behind the scenes chat.

Like I will be glad for the win but I don’t think that’s the setup here

[Lukewarm]

Are we mass claiming?

If so, is Titus directing it?

[Datisi]

math, you think informed gunsmith + (assuming) odd-night rolecop + gated jailkeeper is too much? like, gunsmith can get a guilty on only one person, and the rolecop on maybe 2. if the gunsmith dies with the information then it's even worse

[MathBlade]

Like I am stuck in a rock and a hard place here:

Realistically I townread Titus Chaos Gamma and Datisi.

I don’t see a world where all of them can be town though.

[Datisi]

Are we mass claiming?

If so, is Titus directing it?

i have a feeling it might help, but i'll give it another thought in the morning. if so, titus is definitely directing it.

[MathBlade]

math, you think informed gunsmith + (assuming) odd-night rolecop + gated jailkeeper is too much? like, gunsmith can get a guilty on only one person, and the rolecop on maybe 2. if the gunsmith dies with the information then it's even worse

I think all town odd night rolecop, gated JK, gunsmith, informed 3 BTS chat is too much against the proposed scum team setup.

Mafia doctor can never end game because when JK dies (nerfed or otherwise) cannot end game
Neighbor mafia therefore must never be checked
Assuming traitor scum need a way to stop the checks
Of which we haven’t seen any evidence of strongman or roleblocker or what not.

So I don’t think this setup works with the proposed scum team roles

[Titus]

Like I am stuck in a rock and a hard place here:

Realistically I townread Titus Chaos Gamma and Datisi.

I don’t see a world where all of them can be town though.

I'm still considering a moonlogic scenario where one or both is scum.

Scum cannot kill Chaos without confirming Gamma as town.

Scum could kill Gamma but it's pretty clear they were reluctant to do so. Gamma hasn't claimed anything not fakeable yet too.

[MathBlade]

I think if we assume Titus Gamma Chaos you all town scum have to have a different PR breakdown

[Gamma Emerald]

Koba has to be town unless one of me/chaos are scum
So if you think we’re both town than Koba is mech conf town

[Datisi]

why can't the mafia doc endgame? they don't have to actually claim the fact they're a doc, no?

[Titus]

Are we mass claiming?

If so, is Titus directing it?

i have a feeling it might help, but i'll give it another thought in the morning. if so, titus is definitely directing it.

I'd like to make this decision with more baseless speculation on who I jailkept last night.

[MathBlade]

Koba has to be town unless one of me/chaos are scum
So if you think we’re both town than Koba is mech conf town

Okay then Koba town for now like okay I am focusing on where I am asked atm

[MathBlade]

why can't the mafia doc endgame? they don't have to actually claim the fact they're a doc, no?

Gamma rolecop and Chaos informed only 1 gun make that impossible though.

[Titus]

I do mean baseless. Try and get into the head of scum and Titus. I won't hold it against you if you're wrong. However, mafia doesn't come with the right to remain silent.

[Titus]

why can't the mafia doc endgame? they don't have to actually claim the fact they're a doc, no?

Gamma rolecop and Chaos informed only 1 gun make that impossible though.

Get off the setup and talk about reads/who you think I jailed please.

[MathBlade]

Gamma would turn into alignment cop and FTC happens.

So scum need a strongman which can’t be on the traitor because traitor can’t kill
Can’t be on Umlaut already flipped
Can’t be on doctor else becomes having a gun again

[Titus]

Gamma would turn into alignment cop and FTC happens.

So scum need a strongman which can’t be on the traitor because traitor can’t kill
Can’t be on Umlaut already flipped
Can’t be on doctor else becomes having a gun again

They could just shoot Gamma. Gamma can't get results if in jail. So it becomes wifom.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see how doctor strongman would need a gun
Ime mafia doctor would only get gun again if it has a role that would show up as having a gun if town

[Lukewarm]

Am I also supposed to be blindly guessing your target?

[MathBlade]

My guess would be gamma since Chaos got results?

But that doesn’t seem like a you thing to do?

Tbh I would have shot you if I was scum so I like have no idea

[Titus]

Am I also supposed to be blindly guessing your target?

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I think trying to play assuming balance isn’t the best way. Imo you play with what you know vs. what you think, and work from there

[MathBlade]

I don’t see how doctor strongman would need a gun
Ime mafia doctor would only get gun again if it has a role that would show up as having a gun if town

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers

I mean this is directly from the wiki. Sooo soon as you add something with a gun to a doctor it’s no longer immune.

What if 4 scum 3 regular two doctors and one traitor. That might work?

[MathBlade]

Tbh I think trying to play assuming balance isn’t the best way. Imo you play with what you know vs. what you think, and work from there

That’s how I hunt.

I hunt from what I know.

What I know is this setup as is doesnt balance.

So then what I think is irrelevant I can just coast to easy victory or deep wolf exists
So I hunt deep wolf and pray I am wrong and just sheep