mini normal 2226; who won

[Lukewarm]

not killing at 9 is giving the town an extra elimination - it's really not a great thing to do if you're scum trying to

set someone up

because your max gain if it works is just to get you back to where you should've been in the first place on the kill cycle.

also I don't think a deliberate no kill by choice would've had moderator extending night deadline by a whole day

That last line requires us to assume that is the reason for the delay, and I don't really think that is a safe assumption...

[MathBlade]

I just don’t think so.
I think tris just had RL.

Anything else is mod interference for scum
I can’t agree with your argument here

I don't agree with RL, I think it's more likely she gave mafia an extension to get their NK in and then opened day when the mafia didn't take their chance.

I don't think there's an RL reason to delay day open as it's fairly minimal effort to write "No1 Died" and unlock the thread.

Mods have to do a lot more than that though.

Assume Chaos and Gamma and Titus all town.
She has to process the results correctly and send the PMs.

She’s also been known to site flake too at weird times.

I can’t accept your argument.

[Aristeia]

Titus doesn't require processing.
Chaos is just send him a PM that says "Gamma has a gun"
Gamma is just send him a PM that says "____ is ____"

the "nightkill" didn't happen so doesn't even have to be processed.

She obviously didn't siteflake since she logged on to say that the day start would be "delayed"

[Aristeia]

Kind of funny if Prism!Scum got replaced by NM!scum who then obvscumed himself by forgetting to submit a nightkill.

Imagine what that traitor is thinking right now.

Enh Mathblade?

[MathBlade]

Titus doesn't require processing.
Chaos is just send him a PM that says "Gamma has a gun"
Gamma is just send him a PM that says "____ is ____"

the "nightkill" didn't happen so doesn't even have to be processed.

She obviously didn't siteflake since she logged on to say that the day start would be "delayed"

Let me be more blunt.

I refuse to believe a moderator openly scumsides. There is no argument that will convince me otherwise.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s right, there’s only one scum capable of submitting the NK and since Umlaut is dead there’s most likely no connection between the traitor and final groupscum
So that probably raises the chance it was an accidental no kill a good amount

[MathBlade]

That’s right, there’s only one scum capable of submitting the NK and since Umlaut is dead there’s most likely no connection between the traitor and final groupscum
So that probably raises the chance it was an accidental no kill a good amount

I patently disagree here.
I think scum deliberately no killed.

[Titus]

Crap I forgot about NM. I shouldn't have revealed yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s right, there’s only one scum capable of submitting the NK and since Umlaut is dead there’s most likely no connection between the traitor and final groupscum
So that probably raises the chance it was an accidental no kill a good amount

I patently disagree here.
I think scum deliberately no killed.

I’m not saying I’m certain that’s the case, just that it’s more likely than I was initially thinking

[MathBlade]

Crap I forgot about NM. I shouldn't have revealed yet.

How did you forget? I literally asked you about him?

[DkKoba]

ok but in this game state with 9 alive why would scum choose to deliberately no-kill?

it would actually explain the delayed night end as well if the mod didnt have a nightkill action from the scum player and delayed to give him a new chance to submit a nk but he just didn't do it.

it would be against the rules to allow scum to submit actions after the deadline. tris prob just was sleeping at the time and couldn't flip it and then was busy in the morning. I have had that predicament as a game mod myself. (night begins at ungodly hour when I dont have work the next day, then starts when I do)

[Aristeia]

I refuse to believe a moderator openly scumsides. There is no argument that will convince me otherwise.

I don't think delaying daystart to give the scum an extra day to get their NK in is openly scumsiding.

However the person who is most likely to have forgotten to submit the nightkill is obviously NM:


Alchemist21 Jul 27, 09:18pm Aug 19, 07:38pm 3 days 2 hours 160
Not_Mafia Aug 09, 04:09am Aug 18, 02:19pm 4 days 8 hours 24


and I refuse to believe a scum player decided to no-kill deliberately at 9P night in order to "frame" NM when NM is already in the POE and throw the town an extra elimination for the funsies.

[DkKoba]

I have delayed for the same reason of "I have a job and don't have the time to sit by a computer and flip this right now"

[MathBlade]

I refuse to believe a moderator openly scumsides. There is no argument that will convince me otherwise.

I don't think delaying daystart to give the scum an extra day to get their NK in is openly scumsiding.

However the person who is most likely to have forgotten to submit the nightkill is obviously NM:


Alchemist21 Jul 27, 09:18pm Aug 19, 07:38pm 3 days 2 hours 160
Not_Mafia Aug 09, 04:09am Aug 18, 02:19pm 4 days 8 hours 24


and I refuse to believe a scum player decided to no-kill deliberately at 9P night in order to "frame" NM when NM is already in the POE and throw the town an extra elimination for the funsies.

Then we are at an enpass. Because I always assume mods are neutral.

[DkKoba]

NM is townlock for me so too bad

[DkKoba]

i will likely be late in starting the day.

i will start the day at some point after 1 pm PST, and probably after 2 pm PST

^ the timing lines up with the mod giving a 24 hour extension and prodding the mafia player to submit a nightkill but the mafia player just doesn't do it.

once night deadline ends you can't submit actions.

[Aristeia]

Then we are at an enpass. Because I always assume mods are neutral.

ok even if you throw the extension out of the window, I still think accidental no kill is a lot more likely than intentional no kill.

[MathBlade]

Then we are at an enpass. Because I always assume mods are neutral.

ok even if you throw the extension out of the window, I still think accidental no kill is a lot more likely than intentional no kill.

Disagree.

I have done some things that look pro town but are pro scum when scum.

An extra elim when you’re in the town lock section is meaningless

[MathBlade]

Then assume you convince a majority.

Then we flip Not Mafia and assume he’s town. There goes the “extra” elim.

[MathBlade]

This is just pissing me off.

I am going to play pathfinder.

I just like can’t. Right now.

Today has been utter shit.

[DkKoba]

This is just pissing me off.

I am going to play pathfinder.

I just like can’t. Right now.

Today has been utter shit.

I'm striking the theory as a clear - it's all good.

[Aristeia]

Then assume you convince a majority.

Then we flip Not Mafia and assume he’s town. There goes the “extra” elim.

The extra elim the bad guy who decided to nokill gave us in the first place?

I don't understand the motivation to no kill in the first place.

[Titus]

Here's why I did a no block.

I supposed I was going to be the nightkill. If I was, I wanted to leave town with as much information as possible.

I couldn't block the nightkill because I'm loyal.

Gamma wasn't going to be shot because of the FoSes.
That left Chaos as the obvious protect choice.
Scum aren't going to shoot the obvious protection.

So why not shoot me?

My mind goes to moonlogic everytime.

[Titus]

This no kill, to me, suggests that scum thought I would block them. This would clear them. They then claim a useless result.

That leads me to Chaos being scum.

That's not the most palatable theory as Chaos faking a guilty makes no sense.


The next option is scum guessed I would block offensively. If that's the case, why not shoot Gamma or Chaos?

[Titus]

I think Ari is right, up to the allegation the moderator extended the deadline for scum. An accidental no kill points to someone afk. Deliberate nk makes no sense.