mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

Checker checking a VT isn’t an inno. Checker could be blocked hit an ascetic. (Redirected non normal only)

Here Gamma gets a result of VT. That act of the result + Vt = inno unless mod puts in a goon.

Mod puts in a gun then guilty to gunsmith.

Town also threw by yeeting the Checker.

So again town threw..scum won because town threw proving my point

I don't understand your first line, the only thing that could block the Checker in that setup was the Loyal JK...

The Neapo is objectively stronger than either Informed gunsmith who can only find 1 scum and a gated rolecop that we have.

on top of that the scum team is uninformed who their traitor is and the town has an extra Innocent Child (Delayed) to boot.

My point was that such a setup

has

passed review in the past by Mastina and she rejected the contention that it was unbalanced or townsided in the post game so there would be no reason that she would not create a setup that is similar in terms of power balance.

That other setup should have been rejected too.
Just because scum won it doesn’t mean it should have been passed.

Checker checks A
Neo checks B
Pretend JK doesn’t even exist

You have 4 confirmed alignments N1

That should be rejected as it’s beyond the size of the scum team.
N2 is 6.

That was town’s game to lose.

[MathBlade]

my point isn't to litigate if the town played badly in that game or what they should or should not do with their checker.

My point is that this setup is even more townsided than the current claimed setup and reviewed by Mastina and she rejected the claims that it was townsided in the post game so it's well within what could have been passed into existence.

This one is more townsided
Because if scum get checked they lose
Scum don’t get checked they lose

The one you provided scum don’t get checked they have a shot.

[MathBlade]

I am one of the most potent scum on site for a reason.

I am not scum this game but I can calculate that shit in my head.

This setup as presented is 100% unwinnable for scum

[DkKoba]

scumming on this site is easy as long as rand doesnt screw u lol


just fuck up people's expectations and dont play stupid and u win

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87222

I mean look here.

Mastina got told her setup was unwinnable for scum by many others and I am over do for a more detailed math breakdown on this game but literally many people have told her certain things are unwinnable.

So *shrug*

[Titus]

@Math, It's winnable for scum because we have to flip Chaos tmo if he survives tonight and we miseliminate today and there's an NK tonight.

Scum don't shoot Gamma here as that's my obvious camp (no night action tonight and mostly clear). I likely die tonight.

[Aristeia]

and she still doubled down and said it was fine.

so why do you think she will change in the future or that she changed for making the setup for this game?

mini normals are notoriously protown in the current meta.

[MathBlade]

and she still doubled down and said it was fine.

so why do you think she will change in the future or that she changed for making the setup for this game?

mini normals are notoriously protown in the current meta.

Notoriously protown should not be autowin for signing up.

I am pissed off here because I could literally claim scum and win.

That’s messed up.

I could be 100% antiwincon intentionally,

I can’t believe Mastina would do that again just after being told so.

I can’t.

[DkKoba]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87222

I mean look here.

Mastina got told her setup was unwinnable for scum by many others and I am over do for a more detailed math breakdown on this game but literally many people have told her certain things are unwinnable.

So *shrug*

I think in that setup, you need to cc

probably something that should be something more people do ~!

[Titus]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think we do this here and hope this is what's going on rather than Chaos and Koba.

Everyone else here I am getting massive townpings on.

[MathBlade]

@Math, It's winnable for scum because we have to flip Chaos tmo if he survives tonight and we miseliminate today and there's an NK tonight.

Scum don't shoot Gamma here as that's my obvious camp (no night action tonight and mostly clear). I likely die tonight.

Then who today.

Not Mafia because he is elim bait.

I would prefer not me as well I am town lol.

Who then?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: not_Mafia


yay

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think we do this here and hope this is what's going on rather than Chaos and Koba.

Everyone else here I am getting massive townpings on.

after this game u need to seriously update how you read me - i will cite every single game u misread me in and bury anything u try against me in the future, even if I am scum (although I expect you townread me still if i rand scum and you change nothing)

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Chaos

I can’t follow you onto obvious miselim bait Titus sorry

[Titus]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I think we do this here and hope this is what's going on rather than Chaos and Koba.

Everyone else here I am getting massive townpings on.

after this game u need to seriously update how you read me - i will cite every single game u misread me in and bury anything u try against me in the future, even if I am scum (although I expect you townread me still if i rand scum and you change nothing)

Then stop being so scummy. I'll always scumread you if you act above basic questioning, scream down my townreads, and attempt to carry grudges into future games.

Right now, I am looking at NM/Math, Chaos/you as my primaries.

[Titus]

VOTE: not_Mafia


yay

I actually debated using this gif at daystart.

[MathBlade]

I found me!

[Aristeia]

I actually debated using this gif at daystart.

we are like gif sisters

[Aristeia]

and she still doubled down and said it was fine.

so why do you think she will change in the future or that she changed for making the setup for this game?

mini normals are notoriously protown in the current meta.

Notoriously protown should not be autowin for signing up.

I am pissed off here because I could literally claim scum and win.

That’s messed up.

I could be 100% antiwincon intentionally,

I can’t believe Mastina would do that again just after being told so.

I can’t.

You gave your feedback to Mastina on Aug 7th:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12929283


This game started on July 27th

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284


So even if Mastina took your criticism to heart and and wanted to change her setup, she would need a time machine to do so.

[Aristeia]

also I highly doubt Mastina listens to you given her wallposts in the Garfield game saying you're wrong

[MathBlade]

also I highly doubt Mastina listens to you given her wallposts in the Garfield game saying you're wrong

I am pissed this is not helping.

Let’s do Chaos and pray the dude flips scum huh?

Rather than obvi NM miselim bait?

[MathBlade]

I need to take my T shot and go to bed.

I am probably angry cuz of that but still setups must have a path to victory here. The proposed setup cannot be right.

[Lukewarm]

I don't really want to kill nm. The umlaut flubber stuff at the very beginning of the game is just so hard to see them as partners.

[Aristeia]

the scum can simply kill the investigators. There is always a path to victory.

[MathBlade]

the scum can simply kill the investigators. There is always a path to victory.

Nope they can’t. Assume all are town

Assume Chaos and Gamma claim D2.

Scum kill Gamma. Gamma’s N1 check becomes confirmed town/scum.

Chaos gets off another check. Two players confirmed gunless or Titus confirmed to have a gun.

Latter leaves 3 locktowns left unless scum get lucky and were checked by Chaos.

Otherwise still town sweep.