Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[StrangeMatter]

Eh, that is probably for the better to keep it silent. A bit of a dilemma involving Roden here to be honest. I know for a good fact now that Roden's TR has scum in it or he is scum. The only way to prove that information is if I get eliminated today or he just believes me which the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

[alstroemerial]

Yeah, that makes sense (re 622). But I’m back from my V/LA and the LQ wagon and flip give us a lot to work with in terms of traditional scumhunting, so we still have stuff to do today without a guilty. I’ve been getting ready to go to bed since Day 2 started but will be diving in tomorrow

[Ythan]

Do you get told if you were targeted?

No but I would know if I had been targeted by a friendly neighbour and the odds that an fn and the scum both didn't act is astronomically small.

Just in case if you're a friendly neighbor and this did happen just target me tonight so I know my first clear is no good.

But I think I'm just salty about not nailing scum last night.

[Roden]

scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Told you guys so lol.

[Roden]

Eh, that is probably for the better to keep it silent. A bit of a dilemma involving Roden here to be honest. I know for a good fact now that Roden's TR has scum in it or he is scum. The only way to prove that information is if I get eliminated today or he just believes me which the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

I actually don't think it's you anymore due to the NK. Though I'm not sure how you know for a fact my town reads have scum in it? I only have three town reads and one of them is a confirmed townie.

[MargotRosa]

Well, glad I ended up trusting instincts on that one.

VOTE: alstro and it's gg

[StrangeMatter]

Eh, that is probably for the better to keep it silent. A bit of a dilemma involving Roden here to be honest. I know for a good fact now that Roden's TR has scum in it or he is scum. The only way to prove that information is if I get eliminated today or he just believes me which the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

I actually don't think it's you anymore due to the NK. Though I'm not sure how you know for a fact my town reads have scum in it? I only have three town reads and one of them is a confirmed townie.

Then I miscounted or read things incorrectly with this.

[Roden]

I actually don't particularly disagree with an Alstro vote. I think the final scum has to be someone who wasn't particularly active. The reason being that last night's failed NK only comes from someone who wasn't paying attention to the conversations everyone had, because targeting the Tracker should've been the obvious wrong answer.

VOTE: Alstro

[Ythan]

I did wonder if they might try as a desperate attempt to make up for losing their PR day one.

[Roden]

Eh, that is probably for the better to keep it silent. A bit of a dilemma involving Roden here to be honest. I know for a good fact now that Roden's TR has scum in it or he is scum. The only way to prove that information is if I get eliminated today or he just believes me which the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

I actually don't think it's you anymore due to the NK. Though I'm not sure how you know for a fact my town reads have scum in it? I only have three town reads and one of them is a confirmed townie.

Then I miscounted or read things incorrectly with this.

Ah. Yeah my town reads EoD were T3/Clasko/Tracker slot. I had Egix and Alstro as town leans but they're not glued in place, I just didn't have any intention to vote them over you/LQ/Margot on Day 1.

[MargotRosa]

Been saying since mid D1 that the team that made most sense to me was Alstro and LQ. Alstro's reads always seemed hedgey, and they basically never addressed LQ whatsoever except to say they thought they *may* have been behaving scummy during the tunnel

[T3]

VOTE: alstro

[StrangeMatter]

That is E-1 if I counted this right.

I’m not opposed to an elimination, but with several days left we should use that

[StrangeMatter]

Nope, I just forgot that it’s a 1v7 not 1v6.

[StrangeMatter]

That means it’s E-2 from eliminating Alstro.

[alstroemerial]

I actually don't particularly disagree with an Alstro vote. I think the final scum has to be someone who wasn't particularly active. The reason being that last night's failed NK only comes from someone who wasn't paying attention to the conversations everyone had, because targeting the Tracker should've been the obvious wrong answer.

VOTE: Alstro

Scum could also be willing to gamble on a 50-50 shot that we're in a setup with an FN given that they're in a tight spot. I am curious about Clasko though given that he was prodded and we haven't heard from him since, but since he hasn't been replaced he must have picked up the prod during the night. Either way, there are some circumstances where a player could find that targeting the tracker is the right answer. /shrug

Been saying since mid D1 that the team that made most sense to me was Alstro and LQ. Alstro's reads always seemed hedgey, and they basically never addressed LQ whatsoever except to say they thought they *may* have been behaving scummy during the tunnel

This is a more compelling case against me than the above. My progression on LQ is basically... I was one of the earlier players to cast suspicion in 130 but hedged away from a vote due to the speed of the wagon, which eventually disintegrated before coming back. I confirmed this reason again in 249 and then speculate about a LQ/T3 team in 322. So, there was some more than the tunnel and was more forceful than the "may" in Margot's post. I missed the final wagon due to V/LA.

The above team speculation seems more pertinent to me now given that T3 was someone who was TRing LQ for awhile up to the hammer. Started out against LQ but flipped after 217, which I asked for clarification about in 241 but never got an answer to. Was pushing LQ as town hours before hammering in 554 and even hammered while saying the slot is "probably town."

Looking at the two major LQ wagons:
1: Roden, Strange, T3 (before the above stuff), Margot
2: Margot,

Ythan

, Strange, Roden, T3 (with caveat)

So, the second was the same group of folks plus Ythan, who is confirmed town. Clasko, whom I mentioned above, is on neither while T3 is on both. But I find it really hard to imagine scum posting 398 and suggesting their own elimination. So for now I want to VOTE: T3 with the question again: why were you so sure that LQ was town?

[alstroemerial]

Also I don't mind turbo E-2 but please don't turbo lim me without last words

[T3]

alstromerial, the defendant is here on one count of attempted murder and one count of belonging to a gang. If found guilty, they will face the death penalty under MafiaScum state law.

[alstroemerial]

as I'm sworn under oath, I'd never hurt a flyyyyy

wanna answer my question though

[T3]

Because he used ongoing game meta which usually comes from town.

[Ythan]

Also I don't mind turbo E-2 but please don't turbo lim me without last words

Don't eliminate anyone without my consent I have information.

[Roden]

I actually don't particularly disagree with an Alstro vote. I think the final scum has to be someone who wasn't particularly active. The reason being that last night's failed NK only comes from someone who wasn't paying attention to the conversations everyone had, because targeting the Tracker should've been the obvious wrong answer.

VOTE: Alstro

Scum could also be willing to gamble on a 50-50 shot that we're in a setup with an FN given that they're in a tight spot. I am curious about Clasko though given that he was prodded and we haven't heard from him since, but since he hasn't been replaced he must have picked up the prod during the night. Either way, there are some circumstances where a player could find that targeting the tracker is the right answer. /shrug

The only circumstances where scum targets Tracker N1 are when scum don't realize we have a Doctor. And the only way scum doesn't realize that is if they weren't paying attention. This is why Strange is out of my PoE today despite me scum reading them yesterday.

[alstroemerial]

Wasn’t B1 and B3 equally likely from scum’s perspective before last night?

[Roden]

I don't know how you expect me to answer that without just repeating myself or exposing the Doctor.

[alstroemerial]

Hmmmm ok I understand, and based on that I'm more comfy with my T3 vote atm