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[geraintm]

Well, things changed quickly. Enchant ain't going today either

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well, things changed quickly. Enchant ain't going today either

Who should go though?

[geraintm]

Well, things changed quickly. Enchant ain't going today either

Who should go though?

if only there was a wayof going through my posts to see who i am voting for...

[Nathann]

357 (why does scum say this?)

I don't think anyone should give any Townpoints to someone pointing at their own post and going "why does scum say this?" in the "this is too scummy for scum to say" sense. You obviously think it's Townie, why wouldn't Scum!you say it.

Regarding the rest of the post, I didn't say you had no reads or no analysis, but even what you quoted, most of it is pretty weak questioning. 727 is more what I think of when I say "analysis".

I don't love 727 because a lot of it feels like nitpicking the fact that Dwlee's two scumreads are scumreading each other. Or just in general things that he concludes can be NAI or "fair". It's better than his previous content sure, but meh.

re: Kazyan's grid - I Townread everyone who wasn't on the list of people I said I would vote.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Titus
What do you think of this post? Need to read RVS for context

MargotRosa and ssbm are the scumiest from entries.

I doubt Jackson will come to play.

What is scummy about Kyouko?

I think MargotRosa entry is awkward, repeating my joke could be a scum not having an idea how to enter the thread. And Kyouko could notice that as well and stack a vote, distancing herself early.

[Nathann]

VOTE: Kazyan
Still gotta read the other players, got pulled into some meta here.

Is the vote result of the meta? If so, sell me on it?

Actually sell me on it regardless, I'm not sure where to vote.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Think Alice can be scum here actually, I was too soft on her earlier. Will have to see what comes of her catch-up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kazyan
Still gotta read the other players, got pulled into some meta here.

Is the vote result of the meta? If so, sell me on it?

Actually sell me on it regardless, I'm not sure where to vote.

His entrance into the game seemed scummy from the get-go, but 257 held my scumread at bay. Rereading it though, I dont feel compelled by 257 the way I did the first time. It doesnt feel strong enough in the current gamestate where I'm developing more TRs or tableing players like geraintm/enchant for later.

Additionally, I skimmed his iso in his 2 newbie games, 1 he is town, the other he is scum, and I feel like he as a person associates "vote-parking" with a scummy behavior from reading his iso here and in the 2 newbies. He opens the game vote parking here, and I feel like the reason he associates it with scummy behavior is because it is what he is inclined to do as scum.

I also feel like he's been waiting a lot, very passive. Like he wants to see what others do before committing. Looking at 70 for example, is one example of this, but there are more instances to be found in his ISO

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Uhh also when people default to "can you expand on this" it's a lazy way to look like you're sorting

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My impression of Kazyan is he wants to look like he's solving, and he wants to make sure his reads align with the consensus

[GrandpaMo]

I'm not trying to figure out who is paired with who right now. I could make an associative based reads list but I don't think it'll be very helpful this early. I think if you're scum you're scum even if it isn't with someone else I think might be scum.

I also think your point on 575 completely misses the context that Koba is trying to call me a town leader which I don't think I ever really am this early in the game.

I expected a better reaction to this -- you haven't refuted anything in my scumcase.

I think its always better to make associative reads at somepoint and that's how usually you play forum mafia. Yes, they are times where you have to indepentdntly scumread, but to really grasp on who the mafia is, you should always look out for interactions (mianly day 2 but I do it day one). Did bussing occur? Was there any hard defences anywhere? What was the sitatuion like.

It is so funny because the same thing I said about ssbm and dwlee (you), is that you push together, (me) lurk together (coasty behavior), then push another person together (enchant), then back off again (stops looking me and enchant).

Also that post, actually signifies my read better that you were clrearly sheeping here. You again admit to defeat that you aren't a town leader. You never are, true, but you should give yourself some credit to what you have become -- and how that can progress the game. True town can only progress the game while scum can but manipulate context throughout the way or just stall time waiting for others to chime in.

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Kazyan
Still gotta read the other players, got pulled into some meta here.

Is the vote result of the meta? If so, sell me on it?

Actually sell me on it regardless, I'm not sure where to vote.

His entrance into the game seemed scummy from the get-go, but 257 held my scumread at bay. Rereading it though, I dont feel compelled by 257 the way I did the first time. It doesnt feel strong enough in the current gamestate where I'm developing more TRs or tableing players like geraintm/enchant for later.

Additionally, I skimmed his iso in his 2 newbie games, 1 he is town, the other he is scum, and I feel like he as a person associates "vote-parking" with a scummy behavior from reading his iso here and in the 2 newbies. He opens the game vote parking here, and I feel like the reason he associates it with scummy behavior is because it is what he is inclined to do as scum.

I also feel like he's been waiting a lot, very passive. Like he wants to see what others do before committing. Looking at 70 for example, is one example of this, but there are more instances to be found in his ISO

What do you think about dwlee as well. They have also been passive and if you look at their iso -- you would see the similar things that is happening in your own analysis of your scumread's iso.

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Kazyan
Still gotta read the other players, got pulled into some meta here.

Is the vote result of the meta? If so, sell me on it?

Actually sell me on it regardless, I'm not sure where to vote.

Didn't you call me scum? Shouldn't you be voting me now?

[Jolyne]

hello my children who hath you presented to me as options

[Titus]

VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started

Why Margo rather than ssbm?

[GrandpaMo]

357 (why does scum say this?)

I don't think anyone should give any Townpoints to someone pointing at their own post and going "why does scum say this?" in the "this is too scummy for scum to say" sense. You obviously think it's Townie, why wouldn't Scum!you say it.

Regarding the rest of the post, I didn't say you had no reads or no analysis, but even what you quoted, most of it is pretty weak questioning. 727 is more what I think of when I say "analysis".

I don't love 727 because a lot of it feels like nitpicking the fact that Dwlee's two scumreads are scumreading each other. Or just in general things that he concludes can be NAI or "fair". It's better than his previous content sure, but meh.

re: Kazyan's grid - I Townread everyone who wasn't on the list of people I said I would vote.

It probably falls because of confbias -- I know that dwlee is my scumread and so I will try to find things that could be scummy in nature for him. I also found some towny stuff after the RVS period -- however, it wasn't just as impactful for the game -- it was independtly towncred. You should also look at the interaction with ssbm in the beginning (one of the main reasons WHY i started scumreading dwlee)

[Jolyne]

You’re being obtuse and annoying. Even if I could figure out exactly what alignment you are I don’t think I would care.

based

[Jolyne]

VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started

Why Margo rather than ssbm?

because i read kyouko as town and i have a consistent record on them.

[Titus]

yeah not happy with the IC diving line from geraintm. It gets us nowhere and is busywork for everyone.

Vote: geraintm

Like this as town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started

Why Margo rather than ssbm?

because i read kyouko as town and i have a consistent record on them.

That question was for Dwlee as you hadn't weighed in at the time.

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started

Why Margo rather than ssbm?

Okay very good question -- this literally falls on my line of reasoning with the pairing with ssbm / and dwlee.

And one of the steps I figured it out. I don't know titus if you are thinking the same thing, but this +townpings

[Titus]

@Titus
What do you think of this post? Need to read RVS for context

MargotRosa and ssbm are the scumiest from entries.

I doubt Jackson will come to play.

What is scummy about Kyouko?

I think MargotRosa entry is awkward, repeating my joke could be a scum not having an idea how to enter the thread. And Kyouko could notice that as well and stack a vote, distancing herself early.

It feels town but I don't really get jokes sooo

[Jolyne]

i have already declared nathan andres and kyouko off the table for d1

[Titus]

i have already declared nathan andres and kyouko off the table for d1

I don't recommend you play IC like this. Wait for a wagon to form, then veto imo.

[GrandpaMo]

i have already declared nathan andres and kyouko off the table for d1

Oh... that kyouko?


I thought kyouko was another person you kept referring to. I was like what you aree talking about. then realized I was referring to them as just ssbm, and thought kazyan was like kyouko at one point. Fuck. I am stupid.