3d20 – The Great Board Game War [GAME OVER]

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In fact T3's is the only roll claim that is different enough from everyone else's that his has no overlap after roll-fudging

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If your role could have originally come from town voyeur multitasking, please claim that it could have - but dont claim your full role. If it could not have, please also note that it could not have.

For now I'll VOTE: RMH

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And also, it should be obvious, but my role could not have come from T3's roll.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

As for my pool of 6: Cyrus, Nero, Thor, Cakez, Dragon, and RMH:

That is the order they claimed in. Cyrus claimed first, and is not likely to lie, so I'm striking him right away. Cakez's roll, if true, will most likely be able to differentiated from the others because of the 2 modifiers, and would then only possibly conflict with Nero's roll if Cakez's 2d20 ended up with 1 modifier.

For this my pool narrows to Nero, Thor, Dragon, and RMH. The later the claim, the more likely it was claimed specifically to be obfuscated by the previous claims. So RMH is first in line for me. Also I think his "gambit" might have just been him overreacting to possibly having scumslipped 2 games in a row (this being the second game)

[JamesTheNames]

For this my pool narrows to Nero, Thor, Dragon, and RMH. The later the claim, the more likely it was claimed specifically to be obfuscated by the previous claims. So RMH is first in line for me. Also I think his "gambit" might have just been him overreacting to possibly having scumslipped 2 games in a row (this being the second game)

I trust your mechanics, and I do think the route you're going down is a correct one, can you explain to me why Dragon was included in the second half?

[JamesTheNames]

Updated and fixed list, in chronological order:

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a

Rampaging

modication - 34
Marashu - [1-12, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 57
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
T3 - [1-12, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-12, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Nero Cain - [1-12, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
SirCakez - [1-12, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Dragon of the West - [1-12, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344

[JamesTheNames]

Updated and fixed list, in chronological order:

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a

Rampaging

modication - 34
Marashu - [1-12, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 57
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
T3 - [1-12, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-12, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Nero Cain - [1-12, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
SirCakez - [1-12, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Dragon of the West - [1-12, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344

[Dwlee99]

Ye I rolled a 14 for modifier but somewhere in my brain I thought multitasking

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dragon is a part of the list because town/neighborizer/none is only one roll (the role die) apart from all of the other "town/[insert role here]/none" claims. So town Neighborizer, town pgo, town rolecop, and 2 town roleblockers - all of these claimed no modifier. Technically cakes with 2 modifiers could have had trolls that resulted in no modifier as well so he is included too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My phone keeps autocorrecting rerolls to trolls

[JamesTheNames]

My phone keeps autocorrecting rerolls to trolls

Ah I see, I thought you'd apply similar logic to T3's case as it's kind of its own role without many similar.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My phone keeps autocorrecting rerolls to trolls

Ah I see, I thought you'd apply similar logic to T3's case as it's kind of its own role without many similar.

T3 and meg are the only people that dont have any similar roles, I've already asked that if someone has a role that could come from T3 that they claim they have it, without specifying if their role was fudged or not. It's possible town multitasking voyeur was given a much better modifier or better role if it stayed a town role, so I think the most info we should give to scum is that whoever claims that role is not the pgo, but dont let them know how powerful or weak that roll became (or stayed)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Obviously nobody is going to come forward and say they're the cult bus driver with 2 modifiers, I think it's safe to say theres no point in asking anyone who got Meg's roll to claim it - if it stayed cult it wont get claimed, and if meg is scum lying about the existence of a cult to send us on a wild goose chase, it also wont get claimed.

In fact because of the likely existence of rolecop(s), if you ended up as a town bus driver you should claim today or forevermore get eliminated if a rolecop finds you are a bus driver

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drivers also generally cant self-target so we should clarify with the mod, but it should be impossible for the cult bus driver to fake innos on themself by swapping their position with another player

[cyrus62]

the good news is no one got God farther

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also generic claims like "I have one of the roles on the list exactly" should be avoided because if someone that received scum rolled a strong tpr like a double doctor or whatever, they will be trying to hunt that PR, and your claim will narrow the POE. I think I already saw someone claim like this so it should be avoided in the future

[Nero Cain]

I uh don't really get ssbm's thing about the pool or what not. I think I got the gist of what she's trying to do. Get everyone to claim so we know at least 8 of the roles and then play the match game. Not really sure how successful that strat would be with 5 roles changed.

[JamesTheNames]

Also generic claims like "I have one of the roles on the list exactly" should be avoided because if someone that received scum rolled a strong tpr like a double doctor or whatever, they will be trying to hunt that PR, and your claim will narrow the POE. I think I already saw someone claim like this so it should be avoided in the future

I think this'll be fine whilst we have some unknowns. It also potentially makes it safer in the future in the case of Hammer or Lose if somebody doesn't have too much room to lie? Plus rerolls.

[cyrus62]

Also generic claims like "I have one of the roles on the list exactly" should be avoided because if someone that received scum rolled a strong tpr like a double doctor or whatever, they will be trying to hunt that PR, and your claim will narrow the POE. I think I already saw someone claim like this so it should be avoided in the future

I think this'll be fine whilst we have some unknowns. It also potentially makes it safer in the future in the case of Hammer or Lose if somebody doesn't have too much room to lie? Plus rerolls.

so your saying lets help scum narrow down who to shoot well also forgetting cult ww and alien. if there is only 11 town that leaves 6 day2 2 cult 2 ww 2 scum and 2 aliens. lets say 3 scum and one cult day2 it becomes 5 vs 6 you make one mistake town loses. well say you hit scum . 2 , 2 becomes 5 vs ? insert how many town is left at start of day3

[cyrus62]

ok my maths off .

[redtea]

i'm so glad kyouko can do mechanics analysis AND scumhunt. a godsend. get you a girl who can do both
ill sheep kyouku on rmh if we cant get cyrus today

and now
i present my case
recent cyrus town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87032
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87116
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86803

also recent cyrus town, more similar to his play this game but noticeably different
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86947

this is cyrus scum. On one hand, this seems to have been his first scum game after a hiatus. On the other hand, it looks more like his play this game than the others.
(actually- is this his only scum game so far?)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

i have other posts half-written but im tired after meta-ing again lol. ill come back to them later....

[Nero Cain]

I would like to point out that her pool of 6 is everyone besides dragon that's been mentioned as a possible wagon. Although I think dotw saying that he'll sheep a town reads seems very dissimilar from my previous experience with him and rmh is scummy with his terrible vote of cakez

[JamesTheNames]

Also generic claims like "I have one of the roles on the list exactly" should be avoided because if someone that received scum rolled a strong tpr like a double doctor or whatever, they will be trying to hunt that PR, and your claim will narrow the POE. I think I already saw someone claim like this so it should be avoided in the future

I think this'll be fine whilst we have some unknowns. It also potentially makes it safer in the future in the case of Hammer or Lose if somebody doesn't have too much room to lie? Plus rerolls.

so your saying lets help scum narrow down who to shoot well also forgetting cult ww and alien. if there is only 11 town that leaves 6 day2 2 cult 2 ww 2 scum and 2 aliens. lets say 3 scum and one cult day2 it becomes 5 vs 6 you make one mistake town loses. well say you hit scum . 2 , 2 becomes 5 vs ? insert how many town is left at start of day3

Scum know who aren't scum. Saying you are in the list, doesn't reveal your role, it also doesn't confirm you as town. It helps scum much less than it helps town. So no it isn't in the slightest what I'm saying. 5 roles have changed, so they can't be exactly on it, people can be lying, either about their role or about being on the list. It helps scum in no way, it only benefits town. Scum do not know all 5 roles which have been altered. Scum do not know the results of reroll twice. Scum probably don't know what the omitted modifications from 3 people are. It doesn't narrow a thing for scum, saying your role is on the list. It only helps town in the long run.

[JamesTheNames]

i'm so glad kyouko can do mechanics analysis AND scumhunt. a godsend. get you a girl who can do both
ill sheep kyouku on rmh if we cant get cyrus today

and now
i present my case
recent cyrus town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87032
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87116
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86803

also recent cyrus town, more similar to his play this game but noticeably different
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86947

this is cyrus scum. On one hand, this seems to have been his first scum game after a hiatus. On the other hand, it looks more like his play this game than the others.
(actually- is this his only scum game so far?)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

i have other posts half-written but im tired after meta-ing again lol. ill come back to them later....

Meta hurts my head.

[Nero Cain]

Whiteknight her harder, redtea