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[GrandpaMo]

You have to realize it from a town mindset. Step back and try again then understand what I did what i did. You even admitted it being justified to bury Titus in some fashion.

You lied while claiming a Role to bury a player you Scum Read. For reasons I’m not going to get into, I’m having a massive allergic reaction to it.

I never scumread Titus. So don't lie. I just wanted to grasp reactions // and progress the game with something big like this. You see how this started conversation? Especially considering many people now coming back into the thread and giving their input on this. You have to also realize I was a big wagon on the start of the day and it died down and moved to enchant.

[Titus]

If the Mafia doesn't have Daytalk without an Encryptor, the Neighbourhood shouldn't have it either. I wanna figure out what is happening and whether someone is screwing up their fake claim.

Off the top of my head I don't think this speculation they neighbors require an encryptor for day talk is correct. I think that specifically enables the mafia to communicate. And the rule about how the rules have to say if mafia can talk without an encryptor, I'm pretty sure that's also specific to the mafia.

No.

Encryptor enables Daytalk in any Private Topic they're in, not just the Scumchat. And Daytalk is either global (all PTs have it without an Encryptor) or it isn't (nobody has it), it can't be Mafia-specific.

I was in a game where you're wrong.

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE: Enchant

Waiting for what Dwlee and DGB have to say about this...

[Nathann]

Fuck me, now I actually think GrandpaMo is Townie for that. Though the *does a thing* > "Mafia wouldn't do what I just did!" sequence is really starting to get on my nerves.

I explained why mafia doesn't do that. It's not like I didn't explain it and just blantly said mafia wouldn't do this. I explained why not. And I realized I use a lot of wifom as town lol. (knowing my meta)

It doesn't matter. As long as you're pointing at yourself and saying how Mafia doesn't do that because it bring negative attention or whatever, that claim is void.

Pedit: Titus, link? And what do you mean?

[Andresvmb]

I told them in mason chat, that titus is town but they are voting them. So if you want to carry the weight that either of us are scum, you can drop it now.

Yeah fine whatever. I confused you with DGB on who was holding the read. Claiming to be Masons with someone, while

hardclaiming

, and then retracting - I just want to nuke you for it.

[Enchant]

Also, GG claims i am mafia for asking this question, like it's confirmed Titus is town and HOW DARE I AM ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONFIRMED TOWNIES.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If the Mafia doesn't have Daytalk without an Encryptor, the Neighbourhood shouldn't have it either. I wanna figure out what is happening and whether someone is screwing up their fake claim.

Off the top of my head I don't think this speculation they neighbors require an encryptor for day talk is correct. I think that specifically enables the mafia to communicate. And the rule about how the rules have to say if mafia can talk without an encryptor, I'm pretty sure that's also specific to the mafia.

No.

Encryptor enables Daytalk in any Private Topic they're in, not just the Scumchat. And Daytalk is either global (all PTs have it without an Encryptor) or it isn't (nobody has it), it can't be Mafia-specific.

So Jolyene, does your info state that there are no encryptors, or does it state that Mafia has no encryptors? Maybe there is a town encryptor in a 3 player hood or something? Meant to make the encryptor suspicious that the other players in its hood are scum?

[GrandpaMo]

If the Mafia doesn't have Daytalk without an Encryptor, the Neighbourhood shouldn't have it either. I wanna figure out what is happening and whether someone is screwing up their fake claim.

Off the top of my head I don't think this speculation they neighbors require an encryptor for day talk is correct. I think that specifically enables the mafia to communicate. And the rule about how the rules have to say if mafia can talk without an encryptor, I'm pretty sure that's also specific to the mafia.

No.

Encryptor enables Daytalk in any Private Topic they're in, not just the Scumchat. And Daytalk is either global (all PTs have it without an Encryptor) or it isn't (nobody has it), it can't be Mafia-specific.

I was in a game where you're wrong.

Can we stop talking about this? Talking about encryptor is not anything useful about the game. My hood claim was fake, so stop using this as a way to get away from the initial conversation and focus on finding the scum. We just know mafia doesn't have daytalk, thats all we need to know.

[Andresvmb]

We don’t need to see you lie to generate conversation - I can’t trust a single claim you make the rest of the game since you openly lied about your role while hard claiming to make a point. What the point was I don’t give a shit about. I’m not a player that wants to nuke whoever lies, but some of this shit is just really annoying.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE: Enchant

Waiting for what Dwlee and DGB have to say about this...

I can't see logic chain.

[Titus]

@Grandpa, I'll get into the game my own way. I need to figure out why this talk happened and set people straight.

@Nathann- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800 Deco

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think this got missed so can we kill Kazyan now?

[Kazyan]

I would have thought that town!Titus would call GrandpaMo out for gaslighting.

[Titus]

Mafia had an encryptor that started with just their PT (rather than global). We encouraged town to add the encryptor to a hood.

[GrandpaMo]

We don’t need to see you lie to generate conversation - I can’t trust a single claim you make the rest of the game since you openly lied about your role while hard claiming to make a point. What the point was I don’t give a shit about. I’m not a player that wants to nuke whoever lies, but some of this shit is just really annoying.

That is clearly what you are doing right now, and it is kinda of an annoying take you are taking.


If you are town -- you are costing us the game because you are coming from a confbias view knowing that I am scum for doing this.

What if I am town, who do you scumread now? it doesn't make sense -- because you have to realize I did help town in a way and some people tonwread me and some people scumread me. I am starting to doubt you are town now.You are just using surface level logic to scumread me. We had a 1v1 earlier in this game and I thought you were town for it. Can you explain to me why you initially dropped the attention prior and why am I your 100% scumread now just after I fake claimed hoods? Because form my perspective, I can say and that you are probably just taking advantage of the situation we are in and trying to find a way to scumread me and found one.

[GrandpaMo]

If the Mafia doesn't have Daytalk without an Encryptor, the Neighbourhood shouldn't have it either. I wanna figure out what is happening and whether someone is screwing up their fake claim.

Off the top of my head I don't think this speculation they neighbors require an encryptor for day talk is correct. I think that specifically enables the mafia to communicate. And the rule about how the rules have to say if mafia can talk without an encryptor, I'm pretty sure that's also specific to the mafia.

No.

Encryptor enables Daytalk in any Private Topic they're in, not just the Scumchat. And Daytalk is either global (all PTs have it without an Encryptor) or it isn't (nobody has it), it can't be Mafia-specific.

I was in a game where you're wrong.

Can we stop talking about this? Talking about encryptor is not anything useful about the game. My hood claim was fake, so stop using this as a way to get away from the initial conversation and focus on finding the scum. We just know mafia doesn't have daytalk, thats all we need to know.

I am not just talking about you. But somehow it is about you. Just stop talking about it. It makes no sense for town to continue this convo.

[Andresvmb]

That is clearly what you are doing right now, and it is kinda of an annoying take you are taking.

PLEASE try to demonstrate how I’m doing whatever you just did.

[Nathann]

@Nathann- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800 Deco

From what I see, Mafia had an Encryptor, and had Daytalk while they were alive, then didn't once they died.

The Neighborhood didn't have an Encryptor, didn't have Daytalk, then had Daytalk when the Encryptor got added.

That is exactly what I said. There was no global Daytalk, only in the PTs where an Encryptor existed.

[Titus]

@Nathann- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800 Deco

From what I see, Mafia had an Encryptor, and had Daytalk while they were alive, then didn't once they died.

The Neighborhood didn't have an Encryptor, didn't have Daytalk, then had Daytalk when the Encryptor got added.

That is exactly what I said. There was no global Daytalk, only in the PTs where an Encryptor existed.

I misunderstood.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We don’t need to see you lie to generate conversation - I can’t trust a single claim you make the rest of the game since you openly lied about your role while hard claiming to make a point. What the point was I don’t give a shit about. I’m not a player that wants to nuke whoever lies, but some of this shit is just really annoying.

That is clearly what you are doing right now, and it is kinda of an annoying take you are taking.


If you are town -- you are costing us the game because you are coming from a confbias view knowing that I am scum for doing this.

What if I am town, who do you scumread now? it doesn't make sense -- because you have to realize I did help town in a way and some people tonwread me and some people scumread me. I am starting to doubt you are town now.You are just using surface level logic to scumread me. We had a 1v1 earlier in this game and I thought you were town for it. Can you explain to me why you initially dropped the attention prior and why am I your 100% scumread now just after I fake claimed hoods? Because form my perspective, I can say and that you are probably just taking advantage of the situation we are in and trying to find a way to scumread me and found one.

Andres is not taking advantage and digging your heels in is only going to make you and him both get more blindered

[Andresvmb]

If you are town -- you are costing us the game because you are coming from a confbias view knowing that I am scum for doing this.

This is just absurd. I’m voting you - I’m not costing us the game, and I have clearly given you the benefit of the doubt and not just SR you throughout. I don’t know if it’s shit play, or what, but maybe stop accusing players of succumbing to confirmation bias when they SR you when you do dumb shit like put forth a fake claim while stating that it’s a hard claim, only to retract to get a reaction.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus who do you think is scum?

[GrandpaMo]

That is clearly what you are doing right now, and it is kinda of an annoying take you are taking.

PLEASE try to demonstrate how I’m doing whatever you just did.

I am not even talking about that? Smh.

You literally think I am scum before all this and then drop me off as either null // probable town because we don't hear about you about me.

Then after I do this -- and justifiy my reasoning for this. You are so quick to call me scum. So I am telling you to step back and look at the bigger picture and understand me from a town perspective on why I did this. then also go ahead from scum perspective if you want. Realize the pros and cons for doing it, then analyze and conclude if I am scum or town for it. The annoying thing you did, is you aren't taking one minute to read onto why I did it. Heck, you even townread me and was defending me, then you quickly switched up because I "fakeclaimed". You look like newb scum trying to find a reason to scumread me and think me fake claiming is scummy. Can you even explain why I fake claimed is scummy? You haven't explained shit. you literally even say "for reasons I do not want to go to", you continue to deflect and scumread me out of confbias. So stop. And I ask you again, step back and analyze.

[GrandpaMo]

If you are town -- you are costing us the game because you are coming from a confbias view knowing that I am scum for doing this.

This is just absurd. I’m voting you - I’m not costing us the game, and I have clearly given you the benefit of the doubt and not just SR you throughout. I don’t know if it’s shit play, or what, but maybe stop accusing players of succumbing to confirmation bias when they SR you when you do dumb shit like put forth a fake claim while stating that it’s a hard claim, only to retract to get a reaction.

You were literally townreading me?????

[GrandpaMo]

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