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[GrandpaMo]

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[Nathann]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

[GrandpaMo]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Do you think there is scum between?

[Ythan]

Lol thought the thread got locked while I was catching up, I just got logged out without noticing and couldn't see quote buttons.

[Nathann]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Do you think there is scum between?

No idea. This is the only strike so far on Andres' record in my book, and I'm sheeping Koba a bit on him. Titus might be, I don't love her entrance, but it's not enough gor me to make a definitive call.

[Andresvmb]

I am starting to doubt you are town now.You are just using surface level logic to scumread me.

What surface level logic? I am applying somewhat of a rule here that I have for myself. If you transparently lie in a way that’s anti-Town and are caught, I will push for your execution. I’ve done it repeatedly, and Koba can confirm because I did it to them in a different game. You easily could be doing this to make yourself look better because you keep making the point that you’re Town because Scum would never do what you just did, practically in the same page of whatever it is you did. Everyone should ignore your disclaimer because it almost seems like you’re purposefully doing something only to then say that Scum would never do such a thing. If I hammered without waiting for a Claim or checking the vote count, and then immediately said oops I’m sorry but I’m not Scum since Scum would never do that, you wouldn’t be suspicious? It totally invalidates the point because it makes it evident that you clearly understand how your actions could be perceived, and are taking advantage of that fact.

[Titus]

Titus who do you think is scum?

Andres atm.

[Titus]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Why? Andres!scum benefits if we're both town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andres is reacting this way because I, as town, faked a guilty on him, as town, in a mini normal a month or 2 ago. He was very upset. I would not advise counting this reaction "against" him, for what it's worth

[Dwlee99]

What the hell just happened

[Kazyan]

Scum could have seen the play as GMo and DGB actually being townie neighbors and backing Titus into a corner. scum!Titus couldn't have fired back on GMo for risk of GMo actually getting voted out, and if he flipped as an actual Neighbor, that would have made Titus the automatic elimonation on day 2. But, then, town!Titus would have GMo and DGB either being weird or throwing the match as a scumteam, which would surely elicit...something. Idk

[Titus]

Andres is reacting this way because I, as town, faked a guilty on him, as town, in a mini normal a month or 2 ago. He was very upset. I would not advise counting this reaction "against" him, for what it's worth

Do you think he's tonally the same here?

[Dwlee99]

Grandpa can you explain how that helped you form reads again? Like specifics of what you got out of it? You may have already said but I think I didn't fully digest it in the four or five pages I just read?

[Nathann]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Why? Andres!scum benefits if we're both town.

And in that case, Andres!Scum knows that there's a misunderstanding in progress and will get resolved shortly. At best, he gets a few posts of distraction of benefit from the push.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Why? Andres!scum benefits if we're both town.

Town!Andres thinks you and GMo are a mechanical 1v1

Pedit: yes he is tonally the same here

[Titus]

What the hell just happened

GMo for some reason bullshitted he, DGB and I were in a hood.

[Titus]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Why? Andres!scum benefits if we're both town.

And in that case, Andres!Scum knows that there's a misunderstanding in progress and will get resolved shortly. At best, he gets a few posts of distraction of benefit from the push.

If that's the case, why does town!Andres continue to push?

I know I'm supposing GrandpaMo town here but I don't feel like scum do that.

[Titus]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Why? Andres!scum benefits if we're both town.

Town!Andres thinks you and GMo are a mechanical 1v1

Pedit: yes he is tonally the same here

Why? GrandpaMo retracted

[Titus]

Gtg will reflect bbl

[Andresvmb]

I know I'm supposing GrandpaMo town here but I don't feel like scum do that.

Shocking that this is your reaction.

[Nathann]

If that's the case, why does town!Andres continue to push?

I know I'm supposing GrandpaMo town here but I don't feel like scum do that.

Because now, he's not pushing for there being a mechanical contradictiom between you and GrandpaMo, he's pushing because GrandpaMo lied about his claim? Those aren't the same.

[GrandpaMo]

I am starting to doubt you are town now.You are just using surface level logic to scumread me.

What surface level logic? I am applying somewhat of a rule here that I have for myself. If you transparently lie in a way that’s anti-Town and are caught, I will push for your execution. I’ve done it repeatedly, and Koba can confirm because I did it to them in a different game. You easily could be doing this to make yourself look better because you keep making the point that you’re Town because Scum would never do what you just did, practically in the same page of whatever it is you did. Everyone should ignore your disclaimer because it almost seems like you’re purposefully doing something only to then say that Scum would never do such a thing. If I hammered without waiting for a Claim or checking the vote count, and then immediately said oops I’m sorry but I’m not Scum since Scum would never do that, you wouldn’t be suspicious? It totally invalidates the point because it makes it evident that you clearly understand how your actions could be perceived, and are taking advantage of that fact.

1. You should probably adapt in a playstyle towards reading me -- that if you are town, you should be able to read me town for x and x and should read me as scum for x and x. You haven't provided such. You just have blinded tunneled me this whole game and backed off when it was necessary.

2. "Are caught" I never was caught -- I decided to retract since it wasn't in town's favor to continue this claim as it could be anti town. I was thinking about not retracting and making some bs about me and dgb being town neighbors or something.

3. You are starting to get into wifom terriroty; Yes that's sorta hypocritcal, but you are going overboard with it. I did not want to do this to make myself look better. I even admitted the logic towards the people who were gonna scumread me which iimplies your logic is wrong because I was doing this gauge reactions.

4. Your example is so badly just doesn't make any sense to anything we are talking abiut that. See that is scumtell because through the mechanics of the game, I will be losing us a miscondemn or just town acting in scummy behavior. In this scenerio, which had nothing related to the example you had said, I wasn't ever in a place where I was losing us a miscondemn or having any intentions of quickly hammering Titus or just playing against wincon. I was eventually going to retract especially considering that DGB was never in a sitatuion to fully claim with me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh yeah, I'm playing this game here or something - I don't love Titus' reaction saying that Andres is Scummy for wanting to yeet between the contradictory claims, but I also don't love Andres' reaction saying he won't be able to trust anything else he says the entire game. They're probably not both Scum?

Why? Andres!scum benefits if we're both town.

Town!Andres thinks you and GMo are a mechanical 1v1

Pedit: yes he is tonally the same here

Why? GrandpaMo retracted

Obviously I am talking about before the retraction, which is when Andres was suggesting we have to lim between you and GMo, which is the reason you're scumreading him in the first place

I'm saying your SR on him is misplaced (not necessarily wrong, but if it's right, it's for NAI reasons) if you are town. If you're scum then his conversation doesnt really matter

[Enchant]

Sorry to say, but it's damn hilarous.


Also, GrandMo, just question for what you should be townreaded and what for scumreaded?
For future and maybe now.

[Andresvmb]

I’m not going to respond to your insistence about defending a transparently stupid play.

You retracted it because part of your Claim was immediately contradicted by another player. You had no choice. Had you try to modify your claim again, and not admitted to lying, you would have been executed.