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[Jolyne]

grandpa has gone off the deep end and that's always >rand town

[Ythan]

So how long has this leading wagon on Gramps been an ego push to punish his play over the last twenty four hours.

[Kazyan]

@Andres @GrandpaMo, yes, this is the post that pinged me wrong. Right after there was a pretty big event happening, someone jumps in with this? I think it's obvious why this analysis isn't particularly likely to have actually taken place (why would two Town Neighbours deliberately lie and back Titus into a corner?), and the fact that it has basically no actual conclusions in it? Gives me a vibe of Scum trying to hold up thread presence rather than of Town actually thinking through what is happening.

Why would two Town Neighbours deliberately lie and back Titus into a corner?

It doesn't matter. If you're scum!Titus, you're seeing two people claiming to be Town Neighbors doing just that. We know

now

that GMo was just pulling some gambit, but Titus couldn't have known that while the gambit was taking place.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Kazyan

[Nathann]

Titus would've known that two Townies generally don't gamethrow randomly like that. It could've been a gambit, but nothing past that.

However, even if we assume you did think Scum!Titus would've been panicking or something, this doesn't negate my main point - your post was there just to be there. What did you conclude from the event?

[Kazyan]

I was trying to conclude that there was only one reaction that scum could have taken without getting themselves killed in the resolution of that claim, and Titus had that reaction, ergo +scum. But then I tries to look at it from a towncase, and realized it was also a very likely reaction for town.

[geraintm]

What the hell just happened

GMo for some reason bullshitted he, DGB and I were in a hood.

This post needs to be pinned to the top of every page so those who left for like 5 hours and came back to 10 pages of utter nonsense know what happened.

[Ythan]

Better to watch how people stumble through it.

[Nathann]

Hmm. Kazyan,

do

you have any conclusions from the past however-many pages?

[Kazyan]

"Conclusions" is a strong word for the impressions I get of players. I'm not really a fan of Andre anymore and I think Enchant is poorly faking a derptell by pretending not to know that there are only 2 scum, but no slam-dunk cases on peoplw.

[Kazyan]

To the obvious followup question: I think it's a fake dumbtell because "2 scum" has been a lifeblood flowing through discussion in this whole thread. I'm not saying that a replacement

can't

miss it, but it's more likely than chance to be an attempt to look uninformed rather than actually being uninformed.

[Enchant]

I think you trying to shade me again because you got wagoned.

*shrug*

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm saying your SR on him is misplaced (not necessarily wrong, but if it's right, it's for NAI reasons) if you are town. If you're scum then his conversation doesnt really matter

I’m going to say this for after the game, for the future. Ignore for now and then come back to this later.

If I’m Scum, and I see Town!GrandpaMo lie about their role (or make a Claim that’s really hard to believe or at a weird time), I don’t question it, and I certainly don’t push them. I laugh. Because the only thing that it achieves is paranoia and more suspicion. And it creates a massive distraction. GrandpaMo thinks that their ability to get a reaction and potentially read one slot better or whatever is more valuable than Town cohesion, or for others to read them correctly (or at least believe that they’re generally acting in good faith and won’t do stupid things). That’s why I’m getting annoyed. There’s an arrogance to the play that I despise.

947 was for Titus and was supposed to say "this conversation" as in the one I was having with Titus, not "his conversation", that's a misleading typo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You too busy to answer my questions huh.

I probably didn't see them. Sorry what are your questions.

Why you scumread me for question?

I don't anymore.

I realized I scumread you out of pity.

How can you scumread someone out of pity? You think they're having a pitifully poor performance as scum, or what? I would understand "townread out of pity", but scumread out of pity sounds wrong. Can you explain the feelings?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What did I get out of it? Andre // Nathan confirm themselves harder as town through the digestion and analysis. Enchant was so quick to vote out titus and believe titus is mafia without any escort to reasoning.

Now for people who think I could be scum. Do you think mafia really just claims a claimable spot? No. Mafia will not risk that situation and make themselves looks bad here. Especially knowing I probably would have received this backlash.

I think I am ready to vote now VOTE: Enchant

This is for @dwlee, however, this was at that moment. I am starting to get other weird feelings...

Can you explain those?

Shouldn't it be obvious? I said that I am starting to doubt that andre is town and possibly scum forcing a lynch on me because that's the only thing you can do and found the right opportunity to do so.

Andres isn't forcing a lim on you, your wagon was dissipating and I think is still pretty small, but you've drawn a lot of attention to yourself with this play.

Do you really blame Andre's for the attention you're getting? I don't expect or want an answer to this, this is a question you need to ask yourself.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You don’t get to claim that you won an imaginary fight I’m not having

I chuckled - no shade intended, this is just a funny sentence to read

[ssbm_Kyouko]

andres is blatantly town that's annoyed with ur fps play

Is fps first-person-shooter and his is saying he is self-centered, or does it mean something else?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Scum could have seen the play as GMo and DGB actually being townie neighbors and backing Titus into a corner. scum!Titus couldn't have fired back on GMo for risk of GMo actually getting voted out, and if he flipped as an actual Neighbor, that would have made Titus the automatic elimonation on day 2. But, then, town!Titus would have GMo and DGB either being weird or throwing the match as a scumteam, which would surely elicit...something. Idk

@Andres @GrandpaMo, yes, this is the post that pinged me wrong. Right after there was a pretty big event happening, someone jumps in with this? I think it's obvious why this analysis isn't particularly likely to have actually taken place (why would two Town Neighbours deliberately lie and back Titus into a corner?), and the fact that it has basically no actual conclusions in it? Gives me a vibe of Scum trying to hold up thread presence rather than of Town actually thinking through what is happening.

VOTE: Kayzan since town is getting caught up with ego pushes to punish what they view as "bad play" lets get the biggest LAMIST slot here that is v shallow.

Voltron

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kazyan

Voltronnnn

[Kazyan]

If we're doing this, I'll claim at E-1 without waiting for an 'intent to hammer' post.

[Titus]

I don’t need to adapt my play - you need to not lie in completely unnecessary ways for no reason at all. This isn’t hard man what the hell.

This feels tonally town

[Titus]

Scum could have seen the play as GMo and DGB actually being townie neighbors and backing Titus into a corner. scum!Titus couldn't have fired back on GMo for risk of GMo actually getting voted out, and if he flipped as an actual Neighbor, that would have made Titus the automatic elimonation on day 2. But, then, town!Titus would have GMo and DGB either being weird or throwing the match as a scumteam, which would surely elicit...something. Idk

@Andres @GrandpaMo, yes, this is the post that pinged me wrong. Right after there was a pretty big event happening, someone jumps in with this? I think it's obvious why this analysis isn't particularly likely to have actually taken place (why would two Town Neighbours deliberately lie and back Titus into a corner?), and the fact that it has basically no actual conclusions in it? Gives me a vibe of Scum trying to hold up thread presence rather than of Town actually thinking through what is happening.

I like this analysis.

[Titus]

What exactly did the IC claim to know?

[Dwlee99]

Think Kazyan wagon is bad
VOTE: Enchant

[Nathann]

Hmmm. Cold feet. Anything else on the table?

UNVOTE: Kazyan

Kyouko, what do you mean by that?