mini normal 2226; who won

MathBlade · Post Post #3225 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:05 am

In post 3223, Titus wrote:
In post 3219, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3215, Titus wrote:
In post 3212, MathBlade wrote:Then Datisi can’t have an N3 check if loyal if Titus blocks her so he can’t kill again!
Huh? I blocked no one n3.
You didn’t get a chance to crumb it though.

If Datisi kills and you block him thems the ball game. He can’t claim a result on N3 anymore

Then when asked and he says a result conf scum

The only safe move is no kill
This argument can apply to Chaos since that was my last crumb but applying it to Datisi is such a strech

You asked me for moonlogic

This is where I am at.

If Chaos is scum it’s probably with Datisi.

If Chaos is town then yay two conf town and mod broken setup all PR claims are probably true elim in the PoE and call it a game

Lukewarm · Post Post #3226 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:06 am

Maths recent stances have me confused...

Math, where was dats resisting the chaos wagon?

Last I saw, he said "we should elim chaos or notmafia"

MathBlade · Post Post #3227 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:06 am

In post 3224, Datisi wrote:
In post 3219, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3215, Titus wrote:
In post 3212, MathBlade wrote:Then Datisi can’t have an N3 check if loyal if Titus blocks her so he can’t kill again!
Huh? I blocked no one n3.
You didn’t get a chance to crumb it though.

If Datisi kills and you block him thems the ball game. He can’t claim a result on N3 anymore

Then when asked and he says a result conf scum

The only safe move is no kill
sure i can, when titus is in the graveyard and cannot reveal that she blocked me.

besides, how does no killing help me here? and even then, i didn't have to claim pr as scum.

Free elim of Not Mafia
Claim results on me for cred trying to buddy me
Keep fake confirm
Three ideas for starters

MathBlade · Post Post #3228 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:07 am

In post 3226, Lukewarm wrote:Maths recent stances have me confused...

Math, where was dats resisting the chaos wagon?

Last I saw, he said "we should elim chaos or notmafia"

He’s not willing to elim Chaos never has been.

Datisi · Post Post #3229 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:07 am

oh, and at the time i didn't even know she was loyal. from scum!me's pov, i either successfully kill her or my kill fails and i know she blocked me. i wouldn't be having to guess. or like, i would think that i wouldn't have, so i would kill her, and then the kill would go through.

part of the reason why i want to flip n_m first is because i have a math/n_m theory because they've both been screaming against chaos for so long. maybe i'm confbiasing but shrug

Datisi · Post Post #3230 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:09 am

In post 3225, MathBlade wrote:If Chaos is town then yay two conf town and mod broken setup all PR claims are probably true elim in the PoE and call it a game

so if chaos!town, that magically makes all pr claims town, huh? you wouldn't wanna go n_m after? >_>

also. again. didn't wanna elim the claimed pr that was obviously softing a guilty. i am scum because of that. sure.

Datisi · Post Post #3231 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:10 am

the only thing holding me from voting n_m is prism's play tbh

if we're voting chaos i wanna make sure it's actually worth voting out a person i really think is town

MathBlade · Post Post #3232 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:10 am

In post 3229, Datisi wrote:oh, and at the time i didn't even know she was loyal. from scum!me's pov, i either successfully kill her or my kill fails and i know she blocked me. i wouldn't be having to guess. or like, i would think that i wouldn't have, so i would kill her, and then the kill would go through.

part of the reason why i want to flip n_m first is because i have a math/n_m theory because they've both been screaming against chaos for so long. maybe i'm confbiasing but shrug

Always with the excuses

If it’s me + NM scum aren’t going to kill us and you can free miselim me or NM tomorrow.

Unless you’re traitor scum PR and Chaos is main and there is no tomorrow if Chaos dies.

Chaos is objectively the better play here.

If chaos happens to be town then game is busted scum auto lose no matter what and I get my win no matter what.

I am just concerned about deep wolfing

MathBlade · Post Post #3233 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:11 am

In post 3230, Datisi wrote:
In post 3225, MathBlade wrote:If Chaos is town then yay two conf town and mod broken setup all PR claims are probably true elim in the PoE and call it a game
so if chaos!town, that magically makes all pr claims town, huh? you wouldn't wanna go n_m after? >_>

also. again. didn't wanna elim the claimed pr that was obviously softing a guilty. i am scum because of that. sure.

Nope. The fifth claim makes it more likely all auto town especially him claiming N2 of same role
Too stupid for scum to claim as Gamma just checks him

MathBlade · Post Post #3234 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:12 am

It’s literally our game to lose and elimming Chaos whatever his alignment makes this autowin

Not_Mafia · Post Post #3235 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:13 am

Let's just elim chaos cos he's the scummiest

Datisi · Post Post #3236 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:14 am

In post 3232, MathBlade wrote:If chaos happens to be town then game is busted scum auto lose no matter what and I get my win no matter what.

i don't see this. you keep saying this, but it's not autowin. unless you can present me a path to town victory that doesn't rely on you being town, it's not autowin.

ok. say we elim chaos today and he's green. how do you guarantee a town win from that?

Titus · Post Post #3237 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:16 am

If Chaos no killed in order to be townread, then how would he know to claim a result at SoD?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3238 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:17 am

I am struggling to follow what the hell is going on

MathBlade · Post Post #3239 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:18 am

In post 3236, Datisi wrote:
In post 3232, MathBlade wrote:If chaos happens to be town then game is busted scum auto lose no matter what and I get my win no matter what.
i don't see this. you keep saying this, but it's not autowin. unless you can present me a path to town victory that doesn't rely on you being town, it's not autowin.

ok. say we elim chaos today and he's green. how do you guarantee a town win from that?

4 conf town one dies.
3 conf town alive 7 alive
2 conf town 5 alive. << here is where auto lock happens
Both scum alive have to get the Townie elimmed or sacrifice their own. Conf town revealed here

Datisi · Post Post #3240 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:18 am

In post 3233, MathBlade wrote:Nope. The fifth claim makes it more likely all auto town especially him claiming N2 of same role
Too stupid for scum to claim as Gamma just checks him

also this is wrong because n_m claimed ta AFTER gamma claimed 2 shot

Titus · Post Post #3241 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:19 am

For anyone who claimed a result (besides Not_Mafia), they'd have to know I visited no one. That dictates a tracker or similar. The only way a tracker exists is if Chaos is scum. Only Chaos could fake a no kill.

Datisi · Post Post #3242 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:19 am

In post 3239, MathBlade wrote:2 conf town 5 alive. << here is where auto lock happens
Both scum alive have to get the Townie elimmed or sacrifice their own. Conf town revealed here

how is this auto win?

MathBlade · Post Post #3243 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:23 am

In post 3242, Datisi wrote:
In post 3239, MathBlade wrote:2 conf town 5 alive. << here is where auto lock happens
Both scum alive have to get the Townie elimmed or sacrifice their own. Conf town revealed here
how is this auto win?

Because two scum pushing on same player they are out as scum
Therefore scum have no control meaning townies decide twice

Barring Town mistake autowin

Aristeia · Post Post #3244 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:24 am

that's 66% win not autowin

Aristeia · Post Post #3245 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:24 am

actually they have to get both scum so only 33% win

Aristeia · Post Post #3246 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:25 am

In post 3243, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3242, Datisi wrote:
In post 3239, MathBlade wrote:2 conf town 5 alive. << here is where auto lock happens
Both scum alive have to get the Townie elimmed or sacrifice their own. Conf town revealed here
how is this auto win?
Because two scum pushing on same player they are out as scum
Therefore scum have no control meaning townies decide twice

Barring Town mistake autowin

this is just nonsensical to me

Titus · Post Post #3247 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:26 am

Math, why are you supposing that Datisi understood my crumbs when you didn't?

MathBlade · Post Post #3248 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:29 am

In post 3247, Titus wrote:Math, why are you supposing that Datisi understood my crumbs when you didn't?

Because Datisi is better than me at social cues with you. I get too paranoid of you scum or assume that you’re mocking me like with the gem reference

MathBlade · Post Post #3249 (ISO) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:30 am

In post 3245, Aristeia wrote:actually they have to get both scum so only 33% win

In post 3246, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3243, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3242, Datisi wrote:
In post 3239, MathBlade wrote:2 conf town 5 alive. << here is where auto lock happens
Both scum alive have to get the Townie elimmed or sacrifice their own. Conf town revealed here
how is this auto win?
Because two scum pushing on same player they are out as scum
Therefore scum have no control meaning townies decide twice

Barring Town mistake autowin
this is just nonsensical to me

It’s autowin. Scum can’t push anyone
No valid move in elo = loss

Ran into the problem in Calculasia which shoulda been a loss