Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 4.3

[3] ArcAngel9 (Here There Be Dragons, ArcAngel9, ManateeGal)
[2] Annie Edison (Lady Lambdadelta, unwnd)
[2] Snarky fishes (Snarky fishes, Lukewarm)

[4] Not Voting (Medea the Alien, Spiffeh, Annie Edison, Dunnstral)

With 11 alive, it is 6 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Shard Vote

[11] Not Voting (Annie Edison, ArcAngel9, Dunnstral, Here There Be Dragons, Lady Lambdadelta, Lukewarm, ManateeGal, Medea the Alien, unwnd, Snarky fishes, Spiffeh)

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-08-26 23:00:00)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Snarky Fishes

[Medea the Alien]

Ffery, do you want to do the you-plan?

I'm going to nod and go along if you REALLY want to.

No sense waffling for three days and risking no action at all.

Just want to get it over with. Rip the bandaid.

[Here There Be Dragons]

back.

thinkin about not reading what i missed.

[Snarky Fishes]

Ffery, do you want to do the you-plan?

I'm going to nod and go along if you REALLY want to.

No sense waffling for three days and risking no action at all.

Just want to get it over with. Rip the bandaid.

Do you have a better alternative?

My concern is who hammers us.

If this is going to be suboptimal, is there a less suboptimal elim?

[Medea the Alien]

I think the lack of cohesion means we're outright fucked, nobody is gonna hammer you because what are we gonna do, run them up?

Luke's plan was only good on specific types of paper.

And I just want to get it over with instead of 3 more days of wallowing in the misery.

[Snarky Fishes]

We should probably just go back to trying to save ourselves through killing the corrupter today.

-Bell

[Snarky Fishes]

Also, out of spoons today. Today was physically and mentally challenging.

-Bell

[Dunnstral]

My vote can be considered pressure for you to hammer Snarky fishes if you are town (before we eliminate you normally), which would be optimal.

[Dunnstral]

Give whoever we are eliminating today a chance at least to hammer Snarky Fishes

[Snarky Fishes]

That takes time so we need to stop fucking around.

Step 1 is figuring out who would be the consensus elim choice.

[Annie Edison]

SPIFFEH, AA9, RHEA

In your next post please take the list of active players and assign them either town, or scum. No null, no ifs ands or buts or justifications. (@Rhea, your standard hurt and heal list will do)

1. Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge)
2. ArcAngel9
3. Dunnstral
4. Here There Be Dragons (cephrir/Save the Dragons)
5. Lady Lambdadelta
6. Lukewarm
7. ManateeGal
8. Medea the Alien (cabd/penguin_alien)
10. unwnd Sleez
11. Snarky fishes (Bell/fferyllt)
12. Spiffeh

[Annie Edison]

Current tally, if you notice any errors lmk

[Snarky Fishes]

Do you want updates?

[Annie Edison]

Yeah, that way we can keep track better its just a PITA to keep up with everyone

what changes

[Snarky Fishes]

Yeah, that way we can keep track better its just a PITA to keep up with everyone

what changes

I want to confirm with Bell. I'll probably let you know in the early (for me) ayem.

[Spiffeh]

1. Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge) - Town
2. ArcAngel9 - Scum
3. Dunnstral - Town
4. Here There Be Dragons (cephrir/Save the Dragons) - Scum
5. Lady Lambdadelta - Town
6. Lukewarm - Scum
7. ManateeGal - Town
8. Medea the Alien (cabd/penguin_alien) -Town
10. unwnd Sleez - Town
11. Snarky fishes (Bell/fferyllt) - Town
12. Spiffeh -Town

Only ACTUAL scum read is AA9 but I converted my Null reads to scum reads

I have 5 hours of meetings today where I won't have go pay attention or say a word so I should be able to catch up in that time lol

[Spiffeh]

Actually I'd like to change unwnd Sleez to Scum

[ArcAngel9]

1. Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge) - Town
2. ArcAngel9 - TOWN
3. Dunnstral - Town
4. Here There Be Dragons (cephrir/Save the Dragons) - Town
5. Lady Lambdadelta - possible scum
6. Lukewarm - Scum
7. ManateeGal - Scum
8. Medea the Alien (cabd/penguin_alien)- Town
10. unwnd Sleez - possible scum
11. Snarky fishes (Bell/fferyllt) - Town
12. Spiffeh - was reading scum but now in town pool.

[Spiffeh]

Not quite finished catching up but I want to say this now:

Do I see the merit in using Snarky to remove someone from the game? Yes.
Do I see why people think CephTD's role will transfer to Manatee based on claimed flavor? Yes.
Do I see the benefit in dwindling the potential pool of players to pick from and simultaneously locking scum out of the alternate WC? Yes.

But I still don't want to do this plan. Because in the next cycle of or two if we survive long enough, we will still be in Lim-Lo and I will still want to lim AA9. So I don't want to delay something that is going to be inevitable based on these (admittedly decent) hunches. The way I see it, the corruptor is either AA9 or Novice. It is a binary. If I lose the game missing the corruptor here than so be it, it's clear there are some issues with this setup mechanically and I can soothe my ego by hanging my hat on that. It's not worth jumping through all these hoops and waste more time to put us in a marginally better position of PoE-ing scum if limming AA9 is going to be the result anyway.

[Lukewarm]

aa9, at a glance, it looks like you put all of the people pushing the "aa9 is the corrupter" read as town in that list x.x

Your 2, unqualified "scum" listings, are the two people who have been most vocal about killing the dragons instead of you today.

[Spiffeh]

And this does not mean I haven't had doubts about AA9!scum. All Day I've been grappling with whether she'd be capable of faking such a lack of setup knowledge and presenting it to the thread like this as scum, and if I didn't have reason to believe AA9 is the only possible corruptor candidate I might have continued to write her off as Town because of this.

[Lukewarm]

Not quite finished catching up but I want to say this now:

Do I see the merit in using Snarky to remove someone from the game? Yes.
Do I see why people think CephTD's role will transfer to Manatee based on claimed flavor? Yes.
Do I see the benefit in dwindling the potential pool of players to pick from and simultaneously locking scum out of the alternate WC? Yes.

But I still don't want to do this plan. Because in the next cycle of or two if we survive long enough, we will still be in Lim-Lo and I will still want to lim AA9. So I don't want to delay something that is going to be inevitable based on these (admittedly decent) hunches. The way I see it, the corruptor is either AA9 or Novice. It is a binary. If I lose the game missing the corruptor here than so be it, it's clear there are some issues with this setup mechanically and I can soothe my ego by hanging my hat on that. It's not worth jumping through all these hoops and waste more time to put us in a marginally better position of PoE-ing scum if limming AA9 is going to be the result anyway.

I am responding in spoilers, because I don't think it matters since the dragons are not going to agree anyways

Spoiler:

I don't think you fully grasped the plan.

We had to do the strange dragons/fishes stuff today, but we immediately start killing our top scum reads tomorrow. LONG before elo.

So, with my plan, we would literally kill our top scum read in the demon pool (and that could totally be AA9)
The next day, if you/medea keep manatee alive 1 night, then we would kill our top scum read. Period. From the demon pool or the human pool.

And THEN, if BOTH of those were wrong, we are at elo the following day BUT the alt win con is dead, AND we killed our top 2 scum reads.

My plan DID NOT just delay killing scum reads, and then we were in elo wanting to kill someone like AA9, and it was the same as just killing her today.

My plan said, WHO EVER we decide we want to kill. We kill them tomorrow. and the next day. And if we are WRONG, then we do not lose on the spot.

[Spiffeh]

Btw my flavor is Zangetsu

[Spiffeh]

I get it Luke. My ideal scenario today is probably getting AA9 to hammer Snarky? But since I think she's scum and assume she would refuse to do so, limming her is the next best thing.