Mini 2231: Radio Buzz | Game Over!

[Something_Smart]

Uh, something like

Skitter, Pooky, Ceph, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron
Everyone else

Tetrina and Gamma up a bit, Ceph down a bit, so like:

Skitter, Pooky, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron, Ceph
Tetrina, Gamma
Infinity, ssbm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I don't get why you would decide to just sit still and let others define the game state if you are actually town here.

And honestly. It may be true that you don't get why I would do it as town. That's fine, a lot of people don't get me, and I don't get

you

at all. But in the hypothetical world where I wouldn't do this as town, why do you think I WOULD do it as scum? Surely that would be giving up all control over the gamestate while simultaneously outing myself to anyone who knows my meta?

the current working model I have for scum!you is that you looked at the game and decided to give up cuz "not my fault roden put himself in a bad spot" and you're just waiting to die and not spew your partner into a shittier spot than they are already in.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you're fairly low effort as both alignments but it's easier for you to rationalize min-efforting as scum if you convince yourself you're dying anyway and you should say as little as possible to us whereas if you were town you'd at least care to put something out there?

[Gamma Emerald]

That read list still looks ass backwards to me
Atp I’m kinda sorta willing to locktown infinity? I really don’t think she’s been pushing a scum agenda here

[Cephrir]

Uh, something like

Skitter, Pooky, Ceph, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron
Everyone else

Tetrina and Gamma up a bit, Ceph down a bit, so like:

Skitter, Pooky, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron, Ceph
Tetrina, Gamma
Infinity, ssbm

I want to turn this upside down.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you still think this guy is town dude

[Gamma Emerald]

One thought I’m having is “does the VCA for the enchant/infinity/kyouko scumteam make sense at all?”
Because I feel like it doesn’t seeing as I’m pretty sure both infinity and kyouko ended up on enchant at the end

[Cephrir]

do you still think this guy is town dude

[Grumpy noises]

I don't know.

[Cephrir]

No one could accuse him of being survivalistic. That's something, right?

[Cephrir]

I'm going to bed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's not really alignment indicative lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gn ceph

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah idc to actually color the shit in but there was a point where either infinity or kyouko could have hammered S_S rather than let enchant happen
S_S needs to procure a viable motive for neither to do so before I can believe his reads are real rn

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

what.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: skitter
Since no one wants to stick to doing S_S, I’ll go to what’s my second-best guess atm

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d love to be scum with S_S rn

[Gamma Emerald]

@kyouko

: what’s your current thinking for viable S_S partners rn? I’m asking you because you are the one who brought up the meta point that relates to this rabbit hole I’m going down

[skitter30]

do you still think this guy is town dude

Actually yeah

Im kinda getting more and moe sus of u tbh

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter
Since no one wants to stick to doing S_S, I’ll go to what’s my second-best guess atm

Hi

[skitter30]

I kinda think that if ss is scum he would have changed his approach by now - he clearly realizes the flak he's getting for how he's playing

I think the fact that he's kinda sticking to his guns here is because he truly feels like this is the best/most sincere way he can play as town rn

Pooky's positioning around ss feels somewhat fake to me

[skitter30]

you're just waiting to die and not spew your partner into a shittier spot than they are already in.

Like why do u think his partner is in a shitty spot rn
This feels like a very questionablr thought to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@kyouko

: what’s your current thinking for viable S_S partners rn? I’m asking you because you are the one who brought up the meta point that relates to this rabbit hole I’m going down

A viable S_S partner? I don't think he's scum but if he does flip scum, nothing comes to mind to make me think it couldn't still be Galron. If he flips scum I'd need to reread the Enchant/S_S wagons again looking for the bus. I think there was someone off both wagons with Rousseau, could be them?

lmao just checked, it was Galron off both wagons.

If S_S flips red, I'm still voting Galron tomorrow, but I would also suspect Tetrina, Pooky, or Ydrasse I think. I'd have to do that reread.
If he flips green, I'm still voting Galron, but not suspecting Tetrina much at all really, and not suspecting Pooky or Ydrasse much more that I already do.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Pooky

That readlist of the communicaters comes from scum I think. Scum know who the scum NPC is. This is Pooky leading Town into deception.

Pooky's saying Hey, this is who we should be listening to. And this other one is cute. That doesn't track.

Wh... why doesn't it track

He keeps saying Shutterbug is scum, but he doesn't address their content. Every other NPC he gets at their content. He just says Shutterbug is scum, adorable, cute, whatever. Makes me think we should be listening to Shutterbug.

So you think pooky is scum and telling us to listen to the scum caller, who is...?

I don't know but I think it's +town for shutterbug.

I missed this post. What was confusing about it?

it confusing because like

you say it came from scum because scum knows who the scum npc is but you didn't seem to indicate anyway where you thought pooky was like, slipping that they were informed or not actually solving the callers due to already knowing?

and then you asked like, do you want to follow bad advice? when like, has it felt so far like they are really giving us advice to you? or leading us somewhere?

and you kept saying we should listen to shutterbug because pooky was ignoring their content but... what content like pooky said

and you seemed to be missing entire context for pooky doing this in the first place
and then when given context you did not interpret it correctly so it felt like you didn't even check to see if the person you were scumreading was actually telling the truth about why they did the thing you were scumreading them for?

That's true I didn't check up on what Pooky said. That's just something I took at face value. If he says you asked him to do it, I figure he's not lying because he's going to be called out on it either by you, another player or me when I go back to read what I missed. And it's Pooky, so he's not going to lie about something so easily checkable unless he's just trolling, and he's a better troll than that.

So yes, I was missing the context for it because I did miss a couple of pages, and I still haven't gone back to check them. In fact, I still haven't gone back to see where you asked him to do that, although I think he or someone posted it for me.

What I was saying about shutterbug was that we should listen to her because it looked to me that Pooky was scumming. I hadn't read closely any of the communications after the first real ones because they didn't seem important. Whether shutterbug had content or not at that point (the point Pooky made the thing) wasn't important anyway. If Pooky was scumming, and shutterbug was townsided, we needed to listen to her if she ever did pop out with content. I mean, how would Pooky know, even if he was scumming, whether shutterbug would have something town would find useful in the future. And it looked to me like Pooky was telling us to disregard her.

I think that answers your questions, but I'm not sure because I'm not the one seeing the contradiction. It just kind of makes sense in my head.

And also I just keep thinking Pooky is a deep wolf for some reason. Maybe he's more active than I'm used to -- that's something I've noticed -- but I haven't played a game with him since I think the end of last year/beg of this year, and it may be something else. But anyway it's the same feeling I get from House/Enchant. There really isn't one particular thing I can point to, I hate this but it's more of a vibe I'm feeling with those two slots. Pooky's for longer. House's since next to last post or exit post and then Enchant has skeeved me since the replace in.

I think I had him in rvs and.I let it sit there for longer than I usually would bc he felt slight scummy. Then he has the thing about not being able to keep up and that felt real but was nai really. And I don't remember off the top of my head too much of him agree that except I think he was posting more but I wasn't getting anything from him. So I'm null scum I guess on him. S_S will liven the slot up a bit I'm guessing. But Roden left little impression.

hm

i asked because roden wagon felt like the most plausible scum motivation i could think of for you to do this:

but i do not think scum!galron is super likely to employ the 'why don't i just do something even if it doesn't make any sense' approach?

Is this talking about the Pooky thing. I'll be honest, I didn't even realize there was a Roden wagon. I think it must have been part of a couple of pages that I missed. But that doesn't matter, I guess what's important is I don't understand the link between Roden and me and me going after Pooky. Or Roden's thoughts on me, and me, and me going after Pooky. If it has something to do with the latter, the way I approached Pooky made sense to me.

I think I had him in rvs and.I let it sit there for longer than I usually would bc he felt slight scummy. Then he has the thing about not being able to keep up and that felt real but was nai really. And I don't remember off the top of my head too much of him agree that except I think he was posting more but I wasn't getting anything from him. So I'm null scum I guess on him. S_S will liven the slot up a bit I'm guessing. But Roden left little impression.

hm

i asked because roden wagon felt like the most plausible scum motivation i could think of for you to do this:

but i do not think scum!galron is super likely to employ the 'why don't i just do something even if it doesn't make any sense' approach?

And you're talking about scum motivation for me, right, and not Roden? Well, yeah of course you are. I don't know. I just don't get the question I guess.

i meant that i asked about your read of roden because the most plausible scum motivation i could think of for you to 'do something even if it doesn't make any sense' would be if trying to divert from roden,

but you say messiness due to not reading lots of things, though i guess it's still weird to me for you to push on something you haven't read the surrounding things

Okay, so you're saying I'm causing a distraction while people are wagonning Roden in order to draw attention to myself and away from him. That implies that Roden and I are scum together. It's kind of weak, isn't it? Why would scum!Galron look to be scum read in place of his scum buddy. But that's NOT what you're saying. What you're saying is I'm causing a distraction while people are wagonning Roden inorder to draw attention to Pooky and away from Roden, not to me and away from Roden. So that does kind of make sense. And I'm going to have to think about that for a minute.

I think its scummy for everyone honestly, yeah

Can you respond to 1704?

Like yeah I can see that if someone consistently focuses on the callers and avoids the players that can be scummy. But I was specifically directed to look at them, and they're a special mechanic of the game, so why wouldn't I try to understand them?

I think 1714 largely addresses that point, but lmk if i missed something

I owe a few things ro a few people, i'll be getting home this evening and will be able to answer more thorougjlh then

If you'd put me in the queue, everyone seems to have at least one person they're fairly confident is scum, but I'm not sure about you. I thought you had a fairly strong scum read on Inifinity, but these posts:

I actually kinda think pooky is scum >.>
@infinity i will respond tomorrow night, im short on time atm and i have to go looking for past games

I'm kinda cool with the roden wagon.

Have a great weekend everyone!

I had no townvibes on roden and i dont like ss's entrance thus far + enchant seems kinda clueless in a way that doesnt seem likely to be coming from someone with access to a scum pt

(3) enchant: gamma emerald (1575), infinity 324 (1576), galron (1584)
(3) something smart: ssbm kyouko (1391), tetrina (1400), cephrir (1401)

Ty
I kinda like the formation of the ss wagon more tho

VOTE: ss

Kinda makes me think you're flaking a bit.

I'm thinking, though, that if these really are s/s wagons a lot of what I'm confused about clears up. But I don't really like even suggesting they're s/s bc I don't see that very often.

And really, there' s a lot of indecisiveness in general, myself included.

holy shit its fucking galron and S_S

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was just reading Galron's ISO to find his lolcase on Pooky that Pooky is so convinced he is town for

Read the quotes, you'll see why rousseau really died. Makes sense now that the gamestate is so stalled and doesn't feel any better, because the wagons are S/S AGAIN. lol