mini normal 2226; who won

[Lukewarm]

That reads one of two things neither of which are protown to share yet. Regardless I think a scum in Chaos, Datisi, Gamma, and Titus is quite high regardless of which explanation I go down.

Premise A: (Secret premise)
If Premise A is true then scum likely think Premise A is true and therefore would vote Umlaut.
If Premise A is not true then scum likely think they may get a free elim by hopping on without discussion like everyone else.

Math, did you ever explain what this secret premise was?

[MathBlade]

That reads one of two things neither of which are protown to share yet. Regardless I think a scum in Chaos, Datisi, Gamma, and Titus is quite high regardless of which explanation I go down.

Premise A: (Secret premise)
If Premise A is true then scum likely think Premise A is true and therefore would vote Umlaut.
If Premise A is not true then scum likely think they may get a free elim by hopping on without discussion like everyone else.

Math, did you ever explain what this secret premise was?

Premise A was a player having a guilty on Umlaut

[Titus]

Now that someone mentions a bulletproof traitor, it makes sense. For that to be true, it would have to be the four scum scenario though. Otherwise the three people having PTs rule would be violated.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrrrrng mafia is suffering

[Gamma Emerald]

That actually has good syllability when compared to the original line lol

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: aristeia
I feel like with the fact the T3 kill implicates her I’m gonna keep mentally railroading back in this direction

[Aristeia]

I would never shoot Datisi though.

I am an innocent flower.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe you didn’t, maybe Datisi is the neighbor traitor and you shot the BP traitor

[Aristeia]

I highly doubt there's ever going to be a 4 scum game run in a 13p mini normal.

[Aristeia]

Gamma I truly have no evil intentions at all.

I sleep like a baby at night because I am

innocent

All I wanted to do this game was flirt with Datisi.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why was T3 killed to frame you then?

[Aristeia]

I wasn't even aware that T3 suspected me to begin with

[Aristeia]

I just skimmed some of T3's iso.

I don't see where he suspects me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait no what
Never mind I confused vulture for you

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: chaosomega
If this flips scum Koba goes next no questions asked

[Datisi]

okay now that i have more than three brain cells working

so first of all, math spent how many pages trying to convince us that titus + gamma + omega cannot in any universe all be town because that setup is broken, but now that both me and n_m have claimed, suddenly all of titus + gamma + omega + datisi + not_mafia are town if omega is town?? and the justification for that was given because n_m claimed with a rolecop and was risked getting checked, despite him claiming that after the rolecop revealed he was two-shot?

then, bp traitor makes no sense considering the rule of 3 players having a pt + umlaut flipping neighbour. (unless there's 4 scum this game, in which case i will be having VERY strong words for mastina in post game.) but even if you assume that there is a bp traitor in the game, doesn't it make infinitely more sense that the bp traitor got shot on n3, when the jk was inactive, rather than on n2?

(i will now have a thought whether it makes any sense that this is a 4 scum setup and titus is a traitor jailkeeper and she blocked scum's kill on n2 and got shot on n3. ... okay, i'm fine losing to that and screaming at mastina in post game if that's the setup.)

[Datisi]

i'm trying to think if it makes any sense that both n_m and me are town. i can remember a few normal games with identical town roles, that nk15 game from last year with two millers or jacksonvirgo game with two doctors and a doc enabler. but i think the only way two town traffic analysts can work in a game like this is if all mafia are mafia neighbours, so that when whichever one of them flips, it's ambiguous whether the other two are still in a pt together (meaning the two ta's are both still alignment cops) or whether there's some fucky neighbour-traitor combination going on and ta's results are meaningless. or maybe some of the scum are ta-enablers... but that would then probably point at omega being scum because two scum doctors here are ??? setup design, especially with the ta-enablers route.

i still wanna murder n_m because gut is telling me that someone claiming same role as me = bad, and the fact that n_m was like "yeah idk if this makes datisi scum" makes me feel if that's a fight he does not wanna enter. thoguh a good chunck of me wishing to kill him is my huge dislike of literally everything that math had posted in the past few pages. titus, are you sure scum!math wouldn't be doing this here?

[ChaosOmega]

so first of all, math spent how many pages trying to convince us that titus + gamma + omega cannot in any universe all be town because that setup is broken, but now that both me and n_m have claimed, suddenly all of titus + gamma + omega + datisi + not_mafia are town if omega is town?? and the justification for that was given because n_m claimed with a rolecop and was risked getting checked, despite him claiming that after the rolecop revealed he was two-shot?

Well, he said that all of the PR claims are town if I'm scum. I was going to bring up a similar point that it's weird he thinks there is likely scum in the 3 original PR claims, but suddenly you add 2 more PR claims and then they're all town if I flip scum. It makes sense if the team is Math/N_M, but I feel kinda weird saying this, I think all the claims are legit. I know Gamma is town, Titus being town is the obvious explanation why there wasn't a kill N2, if that's true, then Datisi is town, and I don't understand N_M's gameplan here if he's scum with the claim. He was in the PoE but decently townread, he didn't need to make a weird fakeclaim like that.

[ChaosOmega]

Then Datisi can’t have an N3 check if loyal if Titus blocks her so he can’t kill again!

Huh? I blocked no one n3.

You didn’t get a chance to crumb it though.

If Datisi kills and you block him thems the ball game. He can’t claim a result on N3 anymore

Then when asked and he says a result conf scum

The only safe move is no kill

This argument can apply to Chaos since that was my last crumb but applying it to Datisi is such a strech

You asked me for moonlogic

This is where I am at.

If Chaos is scum it’s probably with Datisi.

If Chaos is town then yay two conf town and mod broken setup all PR claims are probably true elim in the PoE and call it a game

Sorry, you're right, he does say that all PR's are town if I flip town, what the hell? Math, your progression here makes 0 sense unless you're protecting your partner N_M knowing that I'll flip town.

[DkKoba]

math is openwolfing and just complaining abt the setup atp bc its his only play as scum here bc they lost me as a mislim lol

[DkKoba]

You have to be really bad to go after the person who guiltied scum b4 limlo

[DkKoba]

Lim chaos-> nightkill me bc im mech clear so theres no nka to point to him

[DkKoba]

VOTE: chaosomega
If this flips scum Koba goes next no questions asked

you dont think im scum - you just want me to be scum. Which is a level 0 play

[DkKoba]

think of what t3 is gonna say in postgame about how bad this lim is.
Scum has been pr hunting with kills all game. They are prob informed of setup

[MathBlade]

If I assume Datisi town
Not Mafia being even night TA makes sense because once any TA claims the other says “nuh uh” and then one gets elimmed and the other shot.

If I assume Datisi scum
Not Mafia’s PR is even night thus removing the 40%+ problem

If I assume all town then the idea is that town PRs get discredited by the setup. It’s absolutely horrible balance because all fire same night but then I see the mod intent behind it.