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Post Post #3325 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:00 am

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In post 3324, MathBlade wrote:If I assume Datisi town
Not Mafia being even night TA makes sense because once any TA claims the other says “nuh uh” and then one gets elimmed and the other shot.

If I assume Datisi scum
Not Mafia’s PR is even night thus removing the 40%+ problem
re: the first scenario - i don't think mastina does that. i know she has a policy where it's a Good Thing that no power roles can outright be guessed as town just because they claimed (barring like, ic's), but i don't know any game she made where the specific intent was that the two claimed power roles murder each other

re: the second scenario - you were complaining about titus + gamma + omega being too powerful for town. but now, titus + gamma + omega + not_mafia is not a problem?
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Post Post #3326 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:02 am

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And Koba shoots down their own argument calling me bad scum

1) I am never bad scum
2) If I am open wolfing why not elim me?
3) Literally everyone sees what I see now and it’s a bad setup from a balance perspective so like okay?

Chaos is literally a “we win” no matter what elim.
Anyone against that to me is scum.
You could have Chaos be mod confirmed IC and I wouldn’t care because elimming him wins the game
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Post Post #3327 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:03 am

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Math these last few pages feels like scum who is mad at a townsided set up, and then felt like he was in auto lose and is madly trying to widen the elim pool - see his interactions with Dats.

So I think that the team is either Math-Not_Mafia Or Chaos-Koba

Koba is never shot before chaos, so I am down for any of [math, Not_Mafia, chaos]

Titus, I would like to kill chaos, because he was been my top scum read all game x.x

But, if you would prefer one of the others, you can count yourself as a double voter with my vote
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Post Post #3328 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:05 am

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In post 3326, MathBlade wrote:Chaos is literally a “we win” no matter what elim.
this is false

stop saying things that are false

4 confirmed townies with 8 alive isn't autowin

2 confirmed townies in a final 5 isn't autowin
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Post Post #3329 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:06 am

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In post 3325, Datisi wrote:
In post 3324, MathBlade wrote:If I assume Datisi town
Not Mafia being even night TA makes sense because once any TA claims the other says “nuh uh” and then one gets elimmed and the other shot.

If I assume Datisi scum
Not Mafia’s PR is even night thus removing the 40%+ problem
re: the first scenario - i don't think mastina does that. i know she has a policy where it's a Good Thing that no power roles can outright be guessed as town just because they claimed (barring like, ic's), but i don't know any game she made where the specific intent was that the two claimed power roles murder each other

re: the second scenario - you were complaining about titus + gamma + omega being too powerful for town. but now, titus + gamma + omega + not_mafia is not a problem?
Mastina has made some OP setups as of late. Once a PR claims a result it’s instantly thought of as town in most people’s minds. If this is a Mastina thing and everyone here is town she didn’t follow that rule even before NM’s claim so I don’t see your point.

Correct. Not Mafia cannot fire on the same night as everyone else so the odds of an unmitigated guilty become a lot less.
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Post Post #3330 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:08 am

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In post 3328, Datisi wrote:
In post 3326, MathBlade wrote:Chaos is literally a “we win” no matter what elim.
this is false

stop saying things that are false

4 confirmed townies with 8 alive isn't autowin

2 confirmed townies in a final 5 isn't autowin
It like is though.
Each non conf player is in the world the other two are scum.
You can ISO each player and see which pairs make sense.

Assuming town doesn’t throw that’s GG.
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Post Post #3331 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:08 am

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In post 3329, MathBlade wrote:Correct. Not Mafia cannot fire on the same night as everyone else so the odds of an unmitigated guilty become a lot less.
???

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop = overpowered town

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + even-night traffic analyst = fair and balanced?
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Post Post #3332 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:10 am

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In post 3331, Datisi wrote:
In post 3329, MathBlade wrote:Correct. Not Mafia cannot fire on the same night as everyone else so the odds of an unmitigated guilty become a lot less.
???

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + n1 firing traffic analyst = overpowered town

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + even-night traffic analyst = fair and balanced?
Fixed it for you.

I have known you were going to claim PT related role for a long time. Just because I don’t say it doesn’t mean I don’t factor it into my decision
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Post Post #3333 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:12 am

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In post 3332, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3331, Datisi wrote:
In post 3329, MathBlade wrote:Correct. Not Mafia cannot fire on the same night as everyone else so the odds of an unmitigated guilty become a lot less.
???

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + n1 firing traffic analyst = overpowered town

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + even-night traffic analyst = fair and balanced?
Fixed it for you.

I have known you were going to claim PT related role for a long time. Just because I don’t say it doesn’t mean I don’t factor it into my decision
What made you think that dats was a pt pr?

And what made you think that he was not something like, even night, which would have made it the same as the bottom row?
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Post Post #3334 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:13 am

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In post 1615, Datisi wrote:
In post 1575, MathBlade wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12817491

Can you explain the difference Datisi?

The only difference I find is with you than Umlaut here, but I am also horrible at meta reads so I am hoping you can go “Math you dumb dumb this is why” in a super nice way
ok so i skimmed the linked iso and purely from it, i cannot. umlaut is perfectly able to be low-impact / useless early as either alignment, and any difference in his d1 here and d1 in the linked game that i point out will be more my own confbias than anything. (d2+ in that game is not applicable because early d2 there he claimed a somewhat-confirmed roleblock, so obvious different play afterwards.)

if we were to talk about his response to pressure, which is kinda what is cementing him being scum here imo, that game is a bad comparison too because he was never in any danger. (i think i was the only non-rvs vote on him throughout the whole game.) i feel like i have seen town!umlaut be under pressure and actually Produce Content to try to get the wagon off of him, but for the life of me i can't find a Proper example.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12716478

this comes to mind as an example of what i'm talking about wrt scum!umlaut, lylo where we were aligning to vote umlaut, and what he did was make a post here and there to not get replaced, make a weak vote that he wasn't actually trying to push at all, and mostly just shut the fucc up.

compared to this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

(open 794, dual iso of town!umlaut with the mod so you can follow the wagons of the game and his posting amount)

not a Perfect example since, while he was a leading then competing wagon for a good amount of d1, he was never quite that close to getting yeeted, but i think it still illustrates that town!umlaut actually Tries.

again compared to this game, it feels like here he's planking and purposefully not saying anything. like, seriousy. he voted ari because of "white knighting" (and also shaded math for it too) even though ari is literally voting for him (and he'd already acknowledged that vote earlier too). he got called out for it, did he actually give any thought to his vote? or explain why he thought ari was white-knighting him? he did not, he just went ahead to argue with you (math) and say "well but these math posts ~feel~ like white knighting" like seriously why is he still breathing.

i am tired and i have a headache so if you have any more q's please leave them below and i will get to them within the next 3-5 business days. there have been a few things i wanted to recheck, mostly give all of omega/alchemist/lukewarm a reread, because i did like what i skimmed from omega today, but that is sure as hell not happening tonight.
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Post Post #3335 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:13 am

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Math, do you think Datisi is scum?
Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!
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Post Post #3336 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:14 am

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In post 3333, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 3332, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3331, Datisi wrote:
In post 3329, MathBlade wrote:Correct. Not Mafia cannot fire on the same night as everyone else so the odds of an unmitigated guilty become a lot less.
???

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + n1 firing traffic analyst = overpowered town

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + even-night traffic analyst = fair and balanced?
Fixed it for you.

I have known you were going to claim PT related role for a long time. Just because I don’t say it doesn’t mean I don’t factor it into my decision
What made you think that dats was a pt pr?

And what made you think that he was not something like, even night, which would have made it the same as the bottom row?
Naked vote on Umlaut.
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Post Post #3337 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:15 am

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Datisi’s shift key is notoriously broken.

It working for two random letters meant something.
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Post Post #3338 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:15 am

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In post 3335, ChaosOmega wrote:Math, do you think Datisi is scum?
Only if you are.

If you’re town then *shrug* we win and whatever.
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Post Post #3339 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:17 am

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In post 3334, MathBlade wrote:Perfect Tries >> PT

This means you either have a PT or are claiming a PT type role.

If you claimed VT I run you up faster than anything because you’d be a liar
... :facepalm:

that wasn't a soft, that was me Putting Emphasis On Those Words

like look at my iso, i talk like that constantly. and i've never crumbed in that way before ever, nor would i, because i'm known for "obscure 7-layer crumbs that you wouldn't crack in 10 years".

however, this does make your behaviour make slightly more sense, and i'm slightly less inclined to kill you.
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Post Post #3340 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:20 am

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In post 3338, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3335, ChaosOmega wrote:Math, do you think Datisi is scum?
Only if you are.

If you’re town then *shrug* we win and whatever.
So when I flip town, what are your thoughts on:

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + n1 firing traffic analyst + even-night traffic analyst?
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Post Post #3341 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:20 am

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before you ask, no, i didn't crumb TA anywhere, because i figured (1) i would be softing my results every day, which would make it obvious enough (i have other examples of me playing investigative like this) and (2) the ruleset and the special public informed make it very likely that the town has something related to pts
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Post Post #3342 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:22 am

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In post 3339, Datisi wrote:
In post 3334, MathBlade wrote:Perfect Tries >> PT

This means you either have a PT or are claiming a PT type role.

If you claimed VT I run you up faster than anything because you’d be a liar
... :facepalm:

that wasn't a soft, that was me Putting Emphasis On Those Words

like look at my iso, i talk like that constantly. and i've never crumbed in that way before ever, nor would i, because i'm known for "obscure 7-layer crumbs that you wouldn't crack in 10 years".

however, this does make your behaviour make slightly more sense, and i'm slightly less inclined to kill you.
Have you met me?

If you assume I am scum then assume your crumbs are cracked.

In Shadowrun I got the exact PR over one word screwdriver and rather than shooting them I buddied them to end game

And I did run a brief skim before then didn’t see a single capital unless eyesight is going bad.

Like I make PRs work for me as scum not whatever this is.
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Post Post #3343 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:22 am

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also, i'm thinking of me/omega universe, and like. we both decide to soft a guilty on out third buddy, then we both turbobus him, then we both claim pr, because...???
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Post Post #3344 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:22 am

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In post 3340, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 3338, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3335, ChaosOmega wrote:Math, do you think Datisi is scum?
Only if you are.

If you’re town then *shrug* we win and whatever.
So when I flip town, what are your thoughts on:

loyal jailkeeper + informed gunsmith + 2-shot rolecop + n1 firing traffic analyst + even-night traffic analyst?
Even night TA and N1 firing TA cancel each other out as the inevitable TvT fight negates their power without scum having to do anything.
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Post Post #3345 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:24 am

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In post 3343, Datisi wrote:also, i'm thinking of me/omega universe, and like. we both decide to soft a guilty on out third buddy, then we both turbobus him, then we both claim pr, because...???
Because then you’ve never had to hunt, get rid of a dead weight scum, ride the fake townfirms to elo.
Literally just did that as scum myself minus the guilty all the bus.
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Post Post #3346 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:27 am

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In post 3342, MathBlade wrote:If you assume I am scum then assume your crumbs are cracked.
wrong

and skimming through my iso, i can't find any other time i capitalized a word for emphasis, which is annoying. are you gonna trust that i'm not stupid enough to lie about a very easily checkable fact about my forum posts, or do i have to go hunting around in my isos of completed games?
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Post Post #3347 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:27 am

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

I mean this is a me+Not Mafia game right here.

Night and day should be visible here
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Post Post #3348 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:28 am

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In post 3346, Datisi wrote:
In post 3342, MathBlade wrote:If you assume I am scum then assume your crumbs are cracked.
wrong

and skimming through my iso, i can't find any other time i capitalized a word for emphasis, which is annoying. are you gonna trust that i'm not stupid enough to lie about a very easily checkable fact about my forum posts, or do i have to go hunting around in my isos of completed games?
That’s a generality not a specific here.

It’s more if you’re assuming I am scum (incorrectly), then I am good at finding PRs. Very good.
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Post Post #3349 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:29 am

Post by ChaosOmega »

Math, does town still "autowin" if we lim someone in the PoE pool today and lim me tomorrow if they flip town? If so, flip Luke today, if he flips town I'll self-vote tomorrow.
Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!
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