Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Annie Edison]

I’m aware we stopped it for the supersaint. We now have people hemming and hawing like universal scumreads that didn’t get killed fucked town in tenet.

[Snarky Fishes]

The people that don't see the problem with the whole table scumreading me yet nobody has an inkling of who my partner is is just.

I don't know what else to say. Either I'm fantastic at distancing or I just don't have one. And if I don't have one? Probably means I'm town.

But people at this table ARE positing scum-you with partners?

[Annie Edison]

Oh, and that’s the other thing

SURVIVALISM ISNT SCUMMY

I know I’m town why the fuck would I WILLINGLY kill myself when the only way we win is by killing the corrupter

[Spiffeh]

Yeah unwnd I actually explained in the two paragraphs you read exactly why I think AA9 fits with you as a partner

But preflip associatives are bad regardless so idk why it makes a difference

[Here There Be Dragons]

no snarky you aren't allowed to have any scumreads unless you also have a lock 100% on the entire team

[unwnd]

I think when it comes to when I come back to be cranky is because I think the direction sucks. I already said blame me if Annie is town.

[Lukewarm]

Like literally look at Luke’s posting and he has consistently kept AA9 just out of his vote range

But like… that’s all kosher, scum has to be Annie

Fuck outta here lmao

I have repeatedly said that I would step back and let aa9 be the kill tomorrow in my plan. Its ay okay with me.

Hell, we can go kill aa9 tomorrow, kill unwnd the next day, kill me the following day.

alt win con is dead, and we have flipped all 3 of those people. if any of us are scum, that is scum down. if any of us are town, it pools us out of the suspect pool, and does not fucking lose the game

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No one, at any point, has really told me what is the scenario where going through my plan has a lower chance to win, then killing AA9, or annie, or WHOEVER is the consensus corrupter solve directly.

If manatee is not the back up? nah man. Still just as good. We killed the fishes, so we had the miselim.
Scum team has a roleblock? nah man, Still just as good. We killed the fishes, so we had the miselim.

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If we are RIGHT on our corrupter solve, then both paths kill the corrupter.

If we are WRONG on our corrupter solve, and that player is a townie, then

killing them directly loses the game on the spot

. If we are wrong on the corrupter solve with my plan, we dont.


Like, even if my plan falls apart because of a roleblock or something, the outcome is the same as killing directly.

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The real frustrating thing to me, is that no one is even arguing that my plan doesn't work. Just that they don't like it....

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pedit: but with that bite me, I can see that the plan really is dead.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: annie

[Spiffeh]

I'm not doing the assassin list. I understand this is just going to agitate people more but that's my spitefulness. You don't get any quarter after I've bled for 500+ posts in this game and then some.

Luke I said I am down if AA9 is agreeing to hammer Snarky

I just don't expect her to follow through on that

[Spiffeh]

That unwnd quote should not be there wtf

[Spiffeh]

I don't get why Annie is being scum read at all other than paranoia, maybe I missed something, someone enlighten me

[Medea the Alien]

I don't get why Annie is being scum read at all other than paranoia, maybe I missed something, someone enlighten me

ISO me.

[Annie Edison]

He said other than paranoia.

[unwnd]

I have you as PoE, not paranoia

My paranoia is elsewhere

[Annie Edison]

@luke- actions speak louder than words

[Spiffeh]

I get PoE, but like Medea’s PoE pool is Annie, AA9, unwnd, and Lukewarm. Annie would be the last one I’d want to lim in that pool.

[Lukewarm]

imo, Bulge was super scummy when he was here, and then disappeared

Asking for a shard day 1, and then the scum team sharding them when they could have sharded any one else.

His complete turn around on AA9 coming the moment me and manatee found the flavor stuff to back up my plan.

Making the blatantly anti-win con statement that he would rather us vote him out directly, then to hammer the fishes. Which, from a town!annie perspective is the equivalent of saying "would rather lose right now, then to give the town an extra shot if they are wrong about me" which is pretty :/

[Lukewarm]

@luke- actions speak louder than words

Oh look, its little old me signing off on the plan for aa9 to be targeted by the vanillizer and humanizer, and her being killed tomorrow when I thought that it was actually happening because the fishes were on board

Spoiler:

Noted,
Lukewarm, vote us.

-Bell

Would like the full plan ironed out first x.x

aa9 goes tmrw. this is to ensure we have time and a method of combatting the alternate wincon

VOTE: fishes

E-3

If your aa9 solve is right, we will be killing her tomorrow, and you get that anyways.

The scum team dropped 3 nights worth of actions to try and win via alt win con. We need to drop today's elim to stop them.

We literally go back to Killin our top scum reads tomorrow.

If we kill aa9 today, and you are wrong, we lose the game on the spot. If we kill her tomorrow, we do not lose on the spot.

If the dragons had agreed in that moment, the day would have ended with that being the plan. Please explain the aa9-corrupter + luke-other scum plan out of this scenario.

My actions very much aligned with letting aa9 be targeted by manatee and promptly killed tomorrow.

[Snarky Fishes]

imo, Bulge was super scummy when he was here, and then disappeared

Asking for a shard day 1, and then the scum team sharding them

when they could have sharded any one else.

His complete turn around on AA9 coming the moment me and manatee found the flavor stuff to back up my plan.

Making the blatantly anti-win con statement that he would rather us vote him out directly, then to hammer the fishes. Which, from a town!annie perspective is the equivalent of saying "would rather lose right now, then to give the town an extra shot if they are wrong about me" which is pretty :/

That part's not true? with one shard already, they were able to shard 2 players the same night by using the corruption+1 shard on manatee.

[Spiffeh]

For me, Annie has been a strong townread from the start and I haven't seen much to change that. In WH13 when notty replaced into a scum slot it was pretty clear to me when he started posting that something was off and I've never gotten that impression this game. I also value Snarky's opinion of notty and both of them seem to have him locked as Town which only reinforces my read.

I'll have to look more into his progression on AA9 today, I just thought he was so convinced by my brilliant case and it made me feel good lol

PA pointed out that it's odd for scum to demonize Annie Night 2 and give them the freedom to use a night action they'd already claimed to be useful, and I don't really have an answer for that. Maybe scum made a mistake, or just hadn't figured out they wanted to demonize me yet so took the easy two demonizations in Annie and corrupt+sharding Manatee.

Bottom line is I'm townreading Annie, open to reevaluating at some point (I get there won't be much TIME for that if Annie is actually scum...) but I have more confident scum reads at this point and want them dead first and foremost

[Lukewarm]

imo, Bulge was super scummy when he was here, and then disappeared

Asking for a shard day 1, and then the scum team sharding them

when they could have sharded any one else.

His complete turn around on AA9 coming the moment me and manatee found the flavor stuff to back up my plan.

Making the blatantly anti-win con statement that he would rather us vote him out directly, then to hammer the fishes. Which, from a town!annie perspective is the equivalent of saying "would rather lose right now, then to give the town an extra shot if they are wrong about me" which is pretty :/

That part's not true? with one shard already, they were able to shard 2 players the same night by using the corruption+1 shard on manatee.

It is true. He could be sitting at 1 shard, and you could be a demon.

But they chose to do it the other way. Even though he claimed day 1 to have a demon ability strong enough to ask for a shard.

[Lukewarm]

I would like to just draw attention to Annie's stances on AA9, in the context of Spiff's case on AA9 and also when me and manatee discovered proper evidence that she was a deshard back up

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Annie was hard lock town for AA9 since Medea pointed out their old game.

Spiffeh made his case on AA9 being the corrupter in post 4199

Here is every post Annie made about AA9 prior to the flavor claim with manatee

Spoiler:

Hi spiffy, long time listener first time caller

Why does scum-AA9 claim receiving the shards in the first place

I’m chewing on it. I know I saw those parallels to the game Medea shared in her ISO, snd the only way I think scum her would know how to perfectly mirror 7 year old meta is if she somehow remembered it or was catering to it. I suppose there’s the old “well y’all just butt heads” argument, but it’s so similar it’s weird to think about.

I’d been mulling it through since I saw people claiming corrupted too.

Your theory does make sense, I’m just trying to reconcile it with my read.

AA9. (But manatee because I have way more tinfoil thoughts there)

I have a clear on Spiffeh and Medea doesn’t make sense as scum with Pooky.

To be clear, in post 4591, like 400 posts after the spiffeh case, Annie explicitly says that they think that MANATEE is more likely to be scum then AA9

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And then they do not mention AA9 for another like 200 posts.

Manatee and I discover the flavor evidence around post 4783

Annie, nearly immediately after this has an appifany that it is just AA9

Spoiler:

He said it’s POE.

I’m leaning towards AA9. I got hit with insomnia and spun out and reread some stuff. I think I want to trust the mouse. I think the novice discussion is a roundabout way to avoid the truth that she was demonized N1, she didn’t claim until after Rhea was outed. I’m going to think some more as the day goes on, but that’s where I’m at. We need to hit the corrupter. She makes the most sense.

It’s bordering the lines of what I can believe to think that she simultaneously knows nothing about the setup but had the awareness to claim receiving shards after Rhea did.

@medea you’re going to need to give me the hard sell. The only other elim I’d be okay with is unwnd.

Help me kill AA9, unwnd.

I’m not doing the desharder plan. We kill the corrupter. It’s our only way forward.

We kill AA9.

I want to kill the corrupter who I think is either aa9 or unwnd while heavily leaning the former.

Ffery what are your thoughts on spiffys Aa9 wall

Aa9 or bust.

The timing of that turn around from "I am just not sure that it can be AA9" to ready to bet the entire game on "AA9 or bust" is suspicious to me.


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Just, side note, Annie was on and around when me and manatee went on our flavor journey.

Annie makes 4761 just before the discovery, weighing in on my covo with Unwnd. Annie also makes 4788 just after the discovery. And there is radio silence on the luke/manatee convo. He then comes back the next morning, with his reversal on AA9 (moving the conversation past the manatee flavor stuff)

@spiff

Re: his turn around on aa9

[Annie Edison]

If the dragons had agreed in that moment, the day would have ended with that being the plan. Please explain the aa9-corrupter + luke-other scum plan out of this scenario.

Much like a supersaint, it’s very easy to say you’ll do something and back out at the last minute

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My problem this game is traditional scumhunting methods will not work. They just won't. Scum got to play atypically this game, so people outside their ranges is where they SHOULD be, right?

I feel like people need to consider that.

[Spiffeh]

Oh and I stand by the fact that scum!Annie has no reason to clear me today.

It actually would have been fairly low risk for them to just outright guilty me, although if they as scum didn't want to do that they could have just...not cleared me. And cleared someone else instead. Or guiltied someone like AA9 (if Town) which everyone probably would have been down for and would have bought them the cycle they need reach the nine demon threshold. Idk there's a lot of ways that could have played out more in their favor if they were scum.

Like I myself don't think I was the best cop target but still think the way it's shaken out means Annie's more likely Town than Scum.

PEdit: Thanks Luke, I'll read through it after work today. Or now if I feel like slackin'