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[Andresvmb]

Two consensus TR’s, a difficult to read slot, and the alternative wagon, while leaving everyone else in the POE?

[Andresvmb]

But your reaction sticks out in that you have seemed not to really believe in any one push you’re making.

Well, yeah. I've never once been able to catch scum without a truth wizard holding my hand, and am surrounded by people who keep pushing back against my reads with greater experience and evidence. To present my observations as anything more than "something to consider" would be arrogance, not good play.

As to your only question the only wagon with two votes besides Gramps happens to be those exact two players. On Andres who is posting mad content.

To actually answer you though obviously yes.

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

On second thought this is actually a weird question.

I mean, we have a lot of players who have gone practically silent, so we kinda need a huge majority of active players cooperate to avoid a no-lim today, not just n/2 + 1. VOTE: GrandpaMo. Andre, if you're scum, you're really good at providing scumcases on people.

Kyo, if you're out there, please hammer.

Enchant's play:

1) OMGUSing people who scumread them
2) Getting indignant at any suggestion that 1) is not sufficient

This slot has to go.

Dwlee, explain your unvote. (Nathann doesn't have to; he's town.)

I am going to say - I just think the difference between the way you claim you present your views, and how you’ve proceeded to present them after seeing meaningful pressure, is jarring.

[Kazyan]

It is! I'm an inconsistent player.

[Kazyan]

Kagekuri Addicts made a similar kind of post about me on Day 1 of not Quite Normal mafia, as well, and we were both town in that game.

[Andresvmb]

It’s not about being inconsistent - if your defense to the charge that you’re being passive or non-confrontational was genuine, you wouldn’t have changed tack so abruptly.

What I would have expected from your slot under the pressure you’ve faced would be to react in the same way that Italiano did when they were mis-executed D1 in a recent game I was in. Which is basically, for you to continue to flail a bit while being unable to really point the barrel in any particular direction. But you have certainly not done that. You tried aggressively to bury Enchant (first), and now you’re pushing for DW/AliceK as if you had a meaningful degree of certainty that they’re Scum. But it doesn’t flow naturally, and it’s creating all kinds of alarm bells in my head.

[Andresvmb]

Your change of approach could easily be interpreted as you molding your style to diminish the claim that you’re acting a certain way that I expressed I felt was Scummy. Fundamentally, that’s what I’m seeing. We haven’t played before so I just can’t judge this more broadly, and it would help if I had seen you in a game as Town, so I just don’t really know. But I don’t think what I’m saying is totally irrational.

[Jolyne]

andres will shield them anyways bc I know he can read gerain too

I don't need shielding.
Waiting on mod to flip a greenie now and then we can all regroup tomorrow with more info

Im hands off the rest of this game. Do what you will.
Trust my townreads.
Ythan likely town too
Dont lim dgb, theyre venge baiting, unless its 3 way

[Kazyan]

It's pretty rational, yeah. I have a lot of bad habits as town. If we meet in another game, you should probably be more worried if I end up broadly townread.

[Nathann]

Maybe a dumb question, but what's so bad about yeeting a Vengeful?

Also uh, I think this is kind of a bad time to go hands off...

[Andresvmb]

Maybe a dumb question, but what's so bad about yeeting a Vengeful?

Also uh, I think this is kind of a bad time to go hands off...

Well if you think DGB is Town, that alone is probably not good. And clearly, DGB is going to do whatever they want. Depending on who you think they’re most likely to shoot, that could present further complications. Or it could be a successful hero shot and basically condemn the Scum. Just purely probability wise, I’m not so sure Vengeful is Town positive, and I have the same perception (which I’ve consistently expressed) about Vigilantes.

[Nathann]

DGB was okay, its call for votes is probably the Scummiest thing it's done. It just looked like Jolyne was thinking it could be a Mafia Vengeful, which is why I asked.

[Andresvmb]

I don’t think a Mafia Vengeful fits within Normal guidelines.

[Enchant]

What Vengebait?

What vengeful? Why town have killing potential in 2 scum game?

[Andresvmb]

What Vengebait?

What vengeful? Why town have killing potential in 2 scum game?

Koba is saying that DGB’s open attempt at getting executed quickly (they have a post that asks for votes with 6 hours to go, and a few others asking for votes) is confirmation that they’re Vengeful.

[Nathann]

I don’t think a Mafia Vengeful fits within Normal guidelines.

That's the point.

Andres, what do you think about my reasoning for moving off of Kazyan? Am I wrong to do it?

[Andresvmb]

Can we speed yeet me?

There's only 6 hours left, most players scumread me and I'm VT.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

At least we won't be outing PRs for nothing.

I claim for AliceK to claim now.

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Vote me, scum.

Like these.

[Andresvmb]

I don't want to vote Kazyan because of Obvious Reasons, and I'm still having Townie pings from Alice.

You haven’t been explicit about your reasoning, so I have no idea.

[Nathann]

I don't want to vote Kazyan because of Obvious Reasons, and I'm still having Townie pings from Alice.

You haven’t been explicit about your reasoning, so I have no idea.

I have, 1121.

Was there a reason you didn't ask me, then?

[Enchant]

blatant venge play, ignore and move on. Let scum nightkill it

That's not Kuba.

I don't believe mod is insane enough to put killers in 2 scum game.

[Jolyne]

im saying they are a vengeful townie who wants to kill someone like andres and im not letting that happen lmao

[Jolyne]

Maybe a dumb question, but what's so bad about yeeting a Vengeful?

Also uh, I think this is kind of a bad time to go hands off...

Well if you think DGB is Town, that alone is probably not good. And clearly, DGB is going to do whatever they want. Depending on who you think they’re most likely to shoot, that could present further complications. Or it could be a successful hero shot and basically condemn the Scum. Just purely probability wise, I’m not so sure Vengeful is Town positive, and I have the same perception (which I’ve consistently expressed) about Vigilantes.

town killing roles in the wrong hand just accelerate the mislims in a way that gives less info than if the game proceeded naturally without them

[Jolyne]

Imagine placing IC in game without protectives, so this person will be nightkilled instantly.

either scum will be informed if there are protectives or they can just safely shoot me. I do not expect a 2 scum team to be gutted so badly - that would be cruel

[Enchant]

Jolyne.

There's 2 mafia on your words.

Why mod could give Town killing power? It's unbalanced.

[Jolyne]

Maybe a dumb question, but what's so bad about yeeting a Vengeful?

Also uh, I think this is kind of a bad time to go hands off...

good time because then yall get info from the flip rather than yeah

[Jolyne]

alice needs to claim in their next post if they do show up -however a demotivated player fits the bill for scum if they do not like playing scun, because it is very difficult with a 2 scum team. (although its harder to find associatives with that many too)