Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Spiffeh]

I also want unwnd to target a current demon with his shard distribute to confirm his ability. Any objections?

[unwnd]

None

[unwnd]

If you're gonna launch AA9 just do it. I don't see why that wagon is so difficult to take off. Even if AA9 only had one partner I doubt they care too much about bussing? She would already be demon and all the last member would have to do is convert a few more people.

[Spiffeh]

I'm just not sure if there's a way that unwnd giving shards to a demon could be a game throwing action, I don't think so though. Someone point out if I'm missing something.

[unwnd]

I don't think I can make someone even more demon

[Lukewarm]

Probably because we are in semi-elo with 11 alive.

VOTE: fishes

Lets get aa9 to hammer, and if she is town we kill annie tomorrow

pedit: I think that unwnd should hand out shards to people who are already demons. If he can split the shards like the mafia, he should do that. Give 1 to maybe manatee, and 1 to maybe spiff?

[Medea the Alien]

Probably because we are in semi-elo with 11 alive.

VOTE: fishes

Lets get aa9 to hammer, and if she is town we kill annie tomorrow

pedit: I think that unwnd should hand out shards to people who are already demons. If he can split the shards like the mafia, he should do that. Give 1 to maybe manatee, and 1 to maybe spiff?

Doesn't having a DEMON hammer fishies fuck your plan over and isntalose us if scum corrupted one of their own N1?

[unwnd]

Why not just kill AA9 independently. I doubt AA9 will agree to just vote Fishes, and then we just waste more time trying to get consensus there

Basically what I'm trying to say is that I'm fucking suffering and this needs to stop at some point.

[Spiffeh]

I fully anticipate AA9 not hammering Snarky and having to switch the wagon over to her, if that makes you feel better.

[Lukewarm]

Probably because we are in semi-elo with 11 alive.

VOTE: fishes

Lets get aa9 to hammer, and if she is town we kill annie tomorrow

pedit: I think that unwnd should hand out shards to people who are already demons. If he can split the shards like the mafia, he should do that. Give 1 to maybe manatee, and 1 to maybe spiff?

Doesn't having a DEMON hammer fishies fuck your plan over and isntalose us if scum corrupted one of their own N1?

That was not actually something that I had considered. An unclaimed corrupted player. And this is the first I remember seeing you mention it.

I was working from the idea that we were at 6 demons 1 corrupted. So, anyone hammering the fishes would buy us one miselim, comparted to voting someone out directly

[unwnd]

It's hard to have ESP.

I can also levitate, it's true

[Snarky Fishes]

Why not just kill AA9 independently. I doubt AA9 will agree to just vote Fishes, and then we just waste more time trying to get consensus there

Basically what I'm trying to say is that I'm fucking suffering and this needs to stop at some point.

She did agree to hammer us.

Though agreeing and doing are different things.

The point about her being a demon and not slowing the bleed-out enough is a good one, though.

But, slowing the bleedout probably isn't enough to avoid scum winning by demon-count, so :hitoshrug:

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I think the idea is to get rid of Snarky as a human now because scum will have wasted their corruption.

I think Snarky is at L-2 right now, FYI.

[Spiffeh]

Someone double check my count.

[Lukewarm]

I dont mind hammering snarky to prove myself town but what snarky says is true.. we are loosing two townies..

i am not saying no but i am telling you to calculate.

AA9 said she would hammer the fishes. Annie has already refused.

So, if there is a chance that one of the most scum read players will hammer the fishes, I think we take it, over straight eliming them if at all possible.

Maybe aa9 refuses, but I think we should at least try to use the fishes today

[Spiffeh]

If Annie ends up being scum then "my bad", I just don't see it.

Normally we'd have more than one miselim to work with and reevaluate from, so I don't really feel that bad if I'm wrong here, even if my confidence wanes by the page.

[Medea the Alien]

Probably because we are in semi-elo with 11 alive.

VOTE: fishes

Lets get aa9 to hammer, and if she is town we kill annie tomorrow

pedit: I think that unwnd should hand out shards to people who are already demons. If he can split the shards like the mafia, he should do that. Give 1 to maybe manatee, and 1 to maybe spiff?

Doesn't having a DEMON hammer fishies fuck your plan over and isntalose us if scum corrupted one of their own N1?

That was not actually something that I had considered. An unclaimed corrupted player. And this is the first I remember seeing you mention it.

I was working from the idea that we were at 6 demons 1 corrupted. So, anyone hammering the fishes would buy us one miselim, comparted to voting someone out directly

Dude we fucking mentioned it five trillion times.

[Medea the Alien]

Worst case: Scum corruptor was active as human N1. Scum partner was corrupted N1. This means AA9 is town and not the corruptor or partner.

In this case, there are two corrupted targets right now.

If we eliminate Snarky fishes today, that locks in one human. If we do that via having another human hammer the wagon, we lock
in three and eliminate a question mark.

That leaves one corrupted player, so worst case is scum can corrupt a new one and demonize both, putting them at eight.

The only possibilities for scum-humans who are corrupted are unwnd and Lukewarm.

This means the scum corruptor is able to act as such when human, but probably not as a demon. Since there are no unaccounted for
shards, his partner is also human here.

This makes unwnd-Lukewarm the only viable scum team; if both refuse to suicide when push comes to shove, we eliminate them back-
to-back, gg.


Other scenario: AA9 is the corruptor. There are no additional corrupted targets out there.

We have unwnd or Lukewarm suicide on SF. That locks in 3 humans. We gain info from their flip.

Spiffeh cannot be scum here if AA9 is the scum corruptor. The same three humans {Rhea, Dunn, Dragons} are still in the auto-town
pool. If we didn't hit scum on the SF supersaint, we know scum is in one of {unwnd/Lukewarm, AE, ML} in order of decreasing
likelihood. (I don't think it's ML)

Overnight, with a town flip, scum can demonize one player and corrupt one at best, or corrupt/demonize one and shard a second one.

That brings us to seven. We then eliminate AA9 here because if one of unwnd/Lukewarm was willing to supersaint-out, she's the
corruptor. Scum from there on out can only demonize one per night, meaning we have to correctly pick her partner from
{unwnd/Lukewarm, AE}


Other other scenario: Corruptor was novice or unable to act for another reason.

This means with SF's elimination, we have no other corrupted humans around. Night Four they can corrupt and demonize one each
two separate players, bringing the total to seven. We still have to hit the corruptor here to avoid the N5 loss, which means we need to actively judge and read.


The last two scenarios are indistinguishable and mean that if we go this route we have to be ready to make a reads-based elim versus a mechanical one.

Conclusion here though is that the corruptor is definitively in {unwnd, Lukewarm, AA9}. This carries through to the next post, looking at Lukewarm's plan briefly.

--PA

Like an eon ago.

[Spiffeh]

Medea, I'm interested in your desired lim order for your PoE list (Annie, AA9, unwnd, Luke)

@Medea

[Lukewarm]

I may.. have skimmed that

And my key take away was that we were thinking the same things about how to use the fishes.

Missed the difference there

[Lukewarm]

The only possibilities for scum-humans who are corrupted are unwnd and Lukewarm.

And in skimming, mixed up corrupter and corrupted.

Like, I read this conclusion "The only possibilities for scum-humans who are the corrupter are unwnd and Lukewarm"

[ManateeGal]

unwnd i'd say give me the shards bc we're not likely to want 2 deshard me

[unwnd]

I'll probably give them to a townread.

[borkjerfkin]

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[borkjerfkin]

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