Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[Ythan]

I don't have a clear because Clasko hasn't visited the site since Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:21 am.

[Egix96]

I actually don't particularly disagree with an Alstro vote. I think the final scum has to be someone who wasn't particularly active. The reason being that last night's failed NK only comes from someone who wasn't paying attention to the conversations everyone had, because targeting the Tracker should've been the obvious wrong answer.

VOTE: Alstro

Scum could also be willing to gamble on a 50-50 shot that we're in a setup with an FN given that they're in a tight spot. I am curious about Clasko though given that he was prodded and we haven't heard from him since, but since he hasn't been replaced he must have picked up the prod during the night. Either way, there are some circumstances where a player could find that targeting the tracker is the right answer. /shrug

The only circumstances where scum targets Tracker N1 are when scum don't realize we have a Doctor. And the only way scum doesn't realize that is if they weren't paying attention. This is why Strange is out of my PoE today despite me scum reading them yesterday.

Hmmmm ok I understand, and based on that I'm more comfy with my T3 vote atm

Huh? Wouldn't T3 also be cleared by that logic?

[Egix96]

Re:640, last paragraph
My counterpoint to 398 is that I actually advocated for my own yeet as scum in my first ever game, though admittedly it was more of a "this game is stressing me out too much and I don't want to play in it any more" than an actual strategic gambit.

[Ythan]

Btw if you ever feel that way on MS just replace out it's fine, don't throw people take that real serious.

[StrangeMatter]

Don’t see how advocating for eliminating yourself is really a town thing to do unless you know it has some sort of benefit for Town to do so.

[StrangeMatter]

Because he used ongoing game meta which usually comes from town.

This seems weird. Why is ongoing site meta considered something that comes from Town T3?

[alstroemerial]

I don't have a clear because Clasko hasn't visited the site since Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:21 am.

Wait, then shouldn't Clasko be replaced?

Huh? Wouldn't T3 also be cleared by that logic?

What I'm taking away from this is that the reason why everyone thought we had a doctor on D1 has to do with the T3 gambit and that makes me want to vote for him.

Don’t see how advocating for eliminating yourself is really a town thing to do unless you know it has some sort of benefit for Town to do so.

Clasko made an argument for how he thought it could benefit town, because of all the discourse over the slip and the subsequent information we'd gain. So while there's some conceivable reasons why town might want their own elim, it's much more rare for that to be true for scum. The only circumstance I can imagine is that your red flip would make your partner look good, but there wasn't anything like that with Clasko and LQ.

[Ythan]

Wait, then shouldn't Clasko be replaced?

I checked with the mod before sharing my conclusions.

[T3]

Because he used ongoing game meta which usually comes from town.

This seems weird. Why is ongoing site meta considered something that comes from Town T3?

It was a thought that seemed real.

[Roden]

It isn't T3.

[Ythan]

I think my number one associative read being correct and provably not being here to submit the kill is more likely than someone else shooting me.

VOTE: Clasko

[Ythan]

Will also help me pick a new target tonight if I'm wrong, otherwise I'm waiting for a replacement and targeting the same slot.

[StrangeMatter]

Wait, didn't you just imply you inspected them and then said you got not result because they weren't here? I'm not quite sure I'm understanding this right now.

[Ythan]

I don't have a clear because Clasko hasn't visited the site since Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:21 am.

This means he couldn't have attempted to kill if he's the remaining mafia, because he hasn't been on site. That makes my "clear" worthless. And I already targeted him because he's my number one suspect off associates.

[Ythan]

It is alsoan alternate explanation for the no kill, rather than scum unwisely targeting me.

[Ythan]

And I checked with the mod if theoretically he would have been replaced out in the night or just no killed if he is scum and was told the latter.

[T3]

VOTE: clasko

[alstroemerial]

Investigating this in some more detail:

54: Clasko defending LQ's RQS

(support)

69: LQ gives Clasko a Null read after Clasko claims not tracker
121: Clasko gives LQ a Town Lean

(support)

127: LQ upgrades Clasko to a Town Lean despite not mentioning Clasko since 69

(support)

215: a soft defend of LQ from Clasko to Roden by pushing for Margot instead

(support)

216: Clasko sheeps LQ while giving the infamous slip

(support)

250: LQ votes Clasko based on the slip

(bus?)

258: LQ makes more of a push on Clasko

(bus?)

267: In Clasko's defense, casts some suspicion on LQ but I don't really follow the logic, but then...

(bus?)

268: Clasko says he'd rather go for Margot than LQ

(support, sort of)

307: Clasko offers LQ that the slip was just bad phrasing
316: LQ makes an interesting post to Clasko in response. Backs off the hard push, hedges, and gives Clasko advice on how to stop getting suspected.

(counting as a support as it's a back off of the previous push)

They don't interact much after this and then Clasko disappears. Given LQ's flip, I can definitely see the argument for the association.

In other news, I just think it's funny that LQ was complaining about people using "bad tells" (that got him caught) and now I'm also seeing a fair bit of buzzword tell in the ISO

I'm inclined to TR Roden, Strange, and Margot in large part due to the flip. I'm not taking T3 out of the pool quite yet. Ythan is confirmed. That leaves Clasko and Egix joining T3 in my PoE pool. But Egix was SL-ing LQ pretty early. I don't really like the idea of wagoning someone who isn't around to defend themselves. So I'll stay where I am for now.

[Ythan]

We've got all day to discuss possible tomorrows until he shows up.

[Umlaut]

Seeking a replacement for Clasko.

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 2.1

alstroemerial

(2): MargotRosa, Roden

Clasko

(2): Ythan, T3

T3

(1): alstroemerial

Not voting

(3): Clasko, StrangeMatter, Egix96

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-30 03:48:00)

[Ythan]

Or that.

[Umlaut]

For personal reasons I am stepping down as moderator of this game. PenguinPower will take over as moderator effective immediately.

[Ythan]

Hope all is well dude!

[Egix96]

Will also help me pick a new target tonight if I'm wrong, otherwise I'm waiting for a replacement and targeting the same slot.

Yeet clasko slot, track alstro?
Or maybe track me if you wish.