mini normal 2226; who won

[Gamma Emerald]

bp neighbourizer traitor

pretty sure neighborized players still flip non-neighbor

[Gamma Emerald]

actually with how much nonsense is going on this game that might not be right

[Datisi]

neighbourized players do flip non-neighbour

but neighbourizer by itself counts as having a pt and i'm brainstorming, it's very likely not the scenario anyway

[MathBlade]

Join me on Chaos. You’re literally there already. You made the argument yourself. Not Mafia is a scum grab

[Gamma Emerald]

neighbourized players do flip non-neighbour

but neighbourizer by itself counts as having a pt and i'm brainstorming, it's very likely not the scenario anyway

but BP traitor wouldn't get shot if scum knew about them

[Gamma Emerald]

bp neighbourizer traitor

pretty sure neighborized players still flip non-neighbor

okay I just confirmed this is the case

[Lukewarm]

I'm waffling on who I should vote. And am heavily torn between math and chaos....

@Titus, if you say something like "I see your earlier posts, but I still think you should vote NM" I will, but I am waiting to make sure you think about what I said before we go through with a nm elim :/

[Titus]

I'm waffling on who I should vote. And am heavily torn between math and chaos....

@Titus, if you say something like "I see your earlier posts, but I still think you should vote NM" I will, but I am waiting to make sure you think about what I said before we go through with a nm elim :/

Which earlier posts?

I am also waffling onto eliminating MathBlade. He can’t be around in elo and I have been wrong on him lately. I doubt this is MathBlade scum but I am not sure who is.

[Titus]

neighbourized players do flip non-neighbour

but neighbourizer by itself counts as having a pt and i'm brainstorming, it's very likely not the scenario anyway

but BP traitor wouldn't get shot if scum knew about them

Right. But why have a traitor neighbor at all?

[Titus]

That would just ensure scum couldn't communicate at all if one slot flipped. It's possible I guess though.

[Titus]

Especially given the traffic analysts.

[Not_Mafia]

im gay

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[Titus]

If scum knew about the traffic analyst, bussing Umlaut makes sense.

[Lukewarm]

I'm waffling on who I should vote. And am heavily torn between math and chaos....

@Titus, if you say something like "I see your earlier posts, but I still think you should vote NM" I will, but I am waiting to make sure you think about what I said before we go through with a nm elim :/

Which earlier posts?

I am also waffling onto eliminating MathBlade. He can’t be around in elo and I have been wrong on him lately. I doubt this is MathBlade scum but I am not sure who is.

These:

Spoiler:

It feels like the only reason to kill not mafia is the fact that his claim contradicts datisi's.

Everything else makes me think he is town. The early day 1 umlaut v flubber. Basically everything Prism posted. Not_Mafia's own posts, like the way he built up to counter claiming Datisi

Datisi, is your claim real?

Datisi, is your claim real?

@n_m

and yes, i'm not gambiting for shits. ask koba what happened last time i did that.

You're a full, ungated Traffic Analyst?

Like, this looks like the build up of him being surprised to see dats claim to me

I don't know that he is the worst yeet option for the day, but he feels worse then both chaos and math to me :/

It feels like the only reason to kill not mafia is the fact that his claim contradicts datisi's.

Everything else makes me think he is town. The early day 1 umlaut v flubber. Basically everything Prism posted. Not_Mafia's own posts, like the way he built up to counter claiming Datisi

But he's in one of your top two solves?

Math these last few pages feels like scum who is mad at a townsided set up, and then felt like he was in auto lose and is madly trying to widen the elim pool - see his interactions with Dats.

So I think that the team is either Math-Not_Mafia Or Chaos-Koba

Koba is never shot before chaos, so I am down for any of [math, Not_Mafia, chaos]

These 2 posts don't jive to me.

I think that a scum math flip would give more weight to the not_mafia scum. But that feels like it means that math goes first.

Is the reverse true? If so, why not lim N_M first? If not, why?

Not really.

Like I said, the nm slot so far has a lot of things to make me think it is town. The only thing that makes me doubt it so far is

1)the cross claim with dars, and
2)the possibility that he could be partners with a scum!math.

Math could be partners with other people. Like, the "all these prs are telling the truth" poe leave math sitting out with Ari (or from other peoples perspective me).

Killing not_mafia first feels like killing based off of pre-flip associations, and so we should kill the slot that is independently more scummy before we then partner hunt for that slot that is as of yet unflipped.
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It kind of feels like not_Mafia would also give us the least info on a town flip.

A town math flip semi-clears the suspicion on NM

A town you flip, clears half of the pr claims

A town NM flip does nothing it feels?

I won't like, stand in the way of a nm flip. But it feels both least likely to flip scum of the 3 and feels like it gives us the least info if it flips town :/

[Not_Mafia]

I’m town here, at least give me tonight to get a shot off, it’s possible (and I suspect) both scum are in a neighbourhood so I can potentially get a stone cold guilty and scum are not going to shoot me for all the tea in China

[Not_Mafia]

This has probably been mentioned but what if we have a traitor and a group scum neighbouriser and the no kill was the last group scum using their neighbouriser?

[Titus]

This has probably been mentioned but what if we have a traitor and a group scum neighbouriser and the no kill was the last group scum using their neighbouriser?

That's possible. Then scum would want to kill the traffic analysts.

VOTE: Math

Luke, I'll look over your posts in a bit

[Datisi]

This has probably been mentioned but what if we have a traitor and a group scum neighbouriser and the no kill was the last group scum using their neighbouriser?

unlikely, i doubt main scum would no-kill when that gives town an extra misyeet just so they can have a pt with their partner, especially not if they were suspecting a pt cop / traffic analyst to be in play, which i think they would considering the public info

re: gamma's 3504 - i was imagining a team of two mafia neighbours who are in a hood together and don't know who the traitor is + a bp nighbourizer traitor who's been holstering the whole game. i know that team composition makes no sense whatsoever and it would mean mastina is straight up trolling, but it's the only way i can fit in (1) umlaut flipping mafia neighbour (2) mafia not knowing who the traitor is (3) the "3 people have a pt" info being fulfilled

I’m town here, at least give me tonight to get a shot off, it’s possible (and I suspect) both scum are in a neighbourhood so I can potentially get a stone cold guilty and scum are not going to shoot me for all the tea in China

i kind of dislike this post, for this reason - if all of mafia are in a hood together, that would mean that (1) gamma is basically a 2-shot alignment cop ("3 people in a pt" means neighbour is a hardguilty) (2) you are an even-night alignment cop (3) i am a full alignment cop. i don't think it has to be said that that is bonkers. so the fact that that is being said so casually while not really pushing anywhere is like... eh?

[Titus]

The issue I have with Math is he griped the same way in Calculasia. He feels tonally like his town self, but I felt the same way in mbos.

The Datisi kill has to be someone who didn't get the crumbs. Math admitted to not getting the crumbs, but a lot of people put it together after the fact. That's the point of crumbing though.

[Titus]

i kind of dislike this post, for this reason - if all of mafia are in a hood together, that would mean that (1) gamma is basically a 2-shot alignment cop ("3 people in a pt" means neighbour is a hardguilty) (2) you are an even-night alignment cop (3) i am a full alignment cop. i don't think it has to be said that that is bonkers. so the fact that that is being said so casually while not really pushing anywhere is like... eh?

This type of post is typically bad. However, Datisi and Not_Mafia could generate false clears if Umlaut dies. If someone who didn't have a PT was neighborized, that would be a false clear. This is particularly true if the scum neighborizer was loyal (meaning it could only hit traitors).

[Titus]

So we'd have a scum neighbor traitor, a scum loyal neighborizer and a mafia neighbor.

[Titus]

Well if thry know the traitor, then the loyal isn't necessary

[Datisi]

If someone who didn't have a PT was neighborized, that would be a false clear. This is particularly true if the scum neighborizer was loyal (meaning it could only hit traitors).

i don't understand how that would create false clears. not like i can know whether any pt's exist in the game or not.

[Aristeia]

I think if there is a scum neighborizer it would make more sense for the traitor to be looking for its scum team rather than the scum team to be looking for its traitor.

For example;

Bulletproof Neighborizer Traitor + 2 Mafia Neighbors.

[Gamma Emerald]

If scum knew about the traffic analyst, bussing Umlaut makes sense.

hmmm I'm feeling something here, talk about this some more