mini normal 2226; who won

[Gamma Emerald]

I think if there is a scum neighborizer it would make more sense for the traitor to be looking for its scum team rather than the scum team to be looking for its traitor.

For example;

Bulletproof Neighborizer Traitor + 2 Mafia Neighbors.

that would be possible
though jsyk in normals traitors are always informed of their partners

[Titus]

If someone who didn't have a PT was neighborized, that would be a false clear. This is particularly true if the scum neighborizer was loyal (meaning it could only hit traitors).

i don't understand how that would create false clears. not like i can know whether any pt's exist in the game or not.

Let's use an example. Right now, if you checked anyone in the game (unless scum neighborized last night), you should get an inno. Any check after Umlaut's death but before a neighborization happened would come back clear as any scum couldn't talk.

Once scum neighborize, you would get useful results because they could talk.

So any N2 checks are likely invalid (unless they neighborized the night Datisi was "shot" and the night I holstered). N3 checks would likely be partially valid. N4 checks would be fully valid.

[Titus]

I need to check my math on the results hold on. Neighborization should resolve before invests.

[Titus]

Supposing scum neighborized n2 instead of shooting to cover for Umlaut's death making everyone with no PTs. Then, one scum would be clear to a traffic analyst. This means that we would have 2 scum in a hood while a third would generate an innocent result despite being scum. <--- This is where the false inno comes into play.

Then scum neighborize n3. This makes all n3 results valid again. However, we don't know the n3 results are valid because the assumption would be that I blocked the kill.

UNVOTE: Mathblade

[Datisi]

Once scum neighborize, you would get useful results because they could talk.

the problem is that

we don't know

if this happened or not. like sure, if what you said is true, then my result from n3 is valid and math really is cleared. but we don't know if mafia actually had a neighbourizer who can do that, or if they still have no way of communicating with each other.

[Datisi]

like, you're making cases that revolve around a scum neighbourizer that might as well not even exist (and my guess is that it doesn't exist considering a flipped mafia neighbour)

[Titus]

The assumption is that I never holster. If I never holster and scum neighborize instead of killing, I report an innocent that technically isn't true. This is doubly possible for reasons I shouldn't say.

[Datisi]

we don't know if a mafia neighbourizer exists. therefore any speculation about my results that requires a mafia neighbourizer existing is complete void until that actually flips.

[Titus]

like, you're making cases that revolve around a scum neighbourizer that might as well not even exist (and my guess is that it doesn't exist considering a flipped mafia neighbour)

we don't know if a mafia neighbourizer exists. therefore any speculation about my results that requires a mafia neighbourizer existing is complete void until that actually flips.

It's the best explanation for the n3 no kill.

[Titus]

Unless it was a combined neighbourizer doctor, it violates Chaos assumption though

[Aristeia]

tbh I still like the NM forgot to submit a kill theory better

[Gamma Emerald]

chaos didn't assume anything, he claimed informed
if another scum-with-a-gun flips chaos is confirmed scum

[Titus]

chaos didn't assume anything, he claimed informed
if another scum-with-a-gun flips chaos is confirmed scum

We're assuming Chaos town there.

If Chaos is scum, our assumption of a doctor goes out the window. That leaves one scum with a fake claim (the neighborizer).

If all of you, NM and Gamma check Chaos, it should confirm or dispel my theory. We can have NM claim his result first since he is FoSed.

[DkKoba]

setup spec like this is why scum win in normals like this and why designers make these kinds of setups bc yall will argue about "town power" when its all fucking designer wifom meant to get people to mislim multiple PRs in a row if they play poorly.

[Titus]

After all, you think you're useless. If we get innos, we can suppose you're right. But if you get guilties, I am right.

That would also conftown Math if I am correct.

[Titus]

setup spec like this is why scum win in normals like this and why designers make these kinds of setups bc yall will argue about "town power" when its all fucking designer wifom meant to get people to mislim multiple PRs in a row if they play poorly.

We don't eliminate any PR with my theory though. Nor you or Math.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't check Chaos, I specified this before, I was only two shot

[Gamma Emerald]

but datisi + NM should be enough to at least mostly solve the setup

[DkKoba]

stop arguing mechs and look at dayplay, this is stupid as shit.
why im not bothering giving a shit this game anymore bc this happens so often
My first mini normal, vpvaltar claimed pt cop upon being guiltied by datisi and i still found them scum by virtue of dayplay but no one would bite bc "pr claim makes sense lole"

so yeah- have fun mislimming into limlo. I wont be around for it likely, and if i am i can carry the game from that point forward.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ari

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aristeia

[DkKoba]

titus, your "reason" for defending math is bc youve mislimmed them before.

frankly my arguments are much better and im gonna instant vote math in limlo if im alive

[DkKoba]

yeah keep voting my townreads have fun with that

[Titus]

I can't check Chaos, I specified this before, I was only two shot

Well NM plus Datisi would still be enough.

[Titus]

titus, your "reason" for defending math is bc youve mislimmed them before.

frankly my arguments are much better and im gonna instant vote math in limlo if im alive

Voting Ari out and getting a guilty on Chaos actually conftowns Math sooo