mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

I feel like if we’re looking at this from a “what would be the least overpowered” my role makes a lot of sense given how gated I am

Except you’re not really gated at all.
With the mainly proposed setup and all PRs town

You’re two shot alignment cop
With the proposed setup TAs are full alignment cops
Gunsmith of questionable alignment ignored for now
Also ignoring jailkeeper for now


Assume Umlaut for case and point is not checked

You have 2-4 players with mod confirmed alignments by D2
Rolecop, person checked by RC, TA, person checked by TA.

Then D3 you have 3-8 players with mod confirmed alignments
RC, person RC1, person RC2, TA1, person TA1, person TA2, TA2, TA2-1

Assume some overlap you’re looking at 5 people with mod confirmed alignments by D3

[MathBlade]

Traditional burn rate is 13,11,9

So assuming scum play perfectly miselim a Townie D1 and D2 you’re looking at 5 confirmed town with this setup with 9 alive 3 scum alive scum lose

[Aristeia]

That's just not how the game works?

PR claims get disbelieved all the time,
scum can fake PR claims.
PRs can get shot without giving results.

I just feel you are making some very strange assumptions about how the game plays out?

[MathBlade]

That's just not how the game works?

PR claims get disbelieved all the time,
scum can fake PR claims.
PRs can get shot without giving results.

I just feel you are making some very strange assumptions about how the game plays out?

1) PR claims get disbelieved >> They get elimmed and proven true and this confirmed
2) They can fake them yes but that’s my literal point some have to be fake claiming
3) Yes they can but scum have no way of finding them. It’s relying on RNG to not be conf town loss by D3.

[MathBlade]

That's just not how the game works?

PR claims get disbelieved all the time,
scum can fake PR claims.
PRs can get shot without giving results.

I just feel you are making some very strange assumptions about how the game plays out?

Name a weird assumption I will prove it wrong after work

[Titus]

Math, do you find me suspicious?

[DkKoba]

That's just not how the game works?

PR claims get disbelieved all the time

,
scum can fake PR claims.

PRs can get shot without giving results.

I just feel you are making some very strange assumptions about how the game plays out?

these are 2 major points math tries to wave off everytime they're addressed and why he is fairly obviously scum pushing an agenda to mislim PRs here.

[MathBlade]

Math, do you find me suspicious?

Less suspicious than the other claims. Enough to where you’re town probably by PoE

[MathBlade]

That's just not how the game works?

PR claims get disbelieved all the time

,
scum can fake PR claims.

PRs can get shot without giving results.

I just feel you are making some very strange assumptions about how the game plays out?

these are 2 major points math tries to wave off everytime they're addressed and why he is fairly obviously scum pushing an agenda to mislim PRs here.

First one is irrelevant.
PR claim once elimmed is proven true if town.

Latter has no way of happening without giving scum an invest and N1 provides 0-2 additional mod confirmed players (ignoring JK and gunsmith a moment).

5 conf town/scum is insurmountable in a 13P game for scum

[Titus]

The odds of me generating a fake clear or getting no clears at all is non zero.

Almost every clear I'd generate, I'd have to rolefish for. I also have to act antitown to get any clears unless I can predict the scumkill. I have to block people

because I suspect they are PRs

or gamble on the nightkill or both. Most successful blockings reduce town power. I am the closest thing to a late game investigator and even then my "results" depend on people claiming and getting a guess to if I blocked them

[DkKoba]

you were literally in a game with majority PRs but ok math

also you actually solved that game from your POV too - I spectated.

you have no fire this game. this is just deflection deflection deflection.

and the beautiful thing is you can't push on me without pushing on one of the people checking me because im clear if they are both town

[MathBlade]

Fundamentally irrelevant.

In the mafia doctor, neighbor, neighbor traitor setup even if you get a fake clear on the traitor of neighbor ever dies
Doctor can’t end game unless you’re also scum which you’re not in that setup.

So yes scum lose every time

[DkKoba]

The odds of me generating a fake clear or getting no clears at all is non zero.

Almost every clear I'd generate, I'd have to rolefish for. I also have to act antitown to get any clears unless I can predict the scumkill. I have to block people

because I suspect they are PRs

or gamble on the nightkill or both. Most successful blockings reduce town power. I am the closest thing to a late game investigator and even then my "results" depend on people claiming and getting a guess to if I blocked them

probably best to not bring this up because reasons bc I caught onto it earlier but yes

[MathBlade]

you were literally in a game with majority PRs but ok math

also you actually solved that game from your POV too - I spectated.

you have no fire this game. this is just deflection deflection deflection.

and the beautiful thing is you can't push on me without pushing on one of the people checking me because im clear if they are both town

Majority PRs != majority alignment cops

[Titus]

Math, can you give two reads lists?

One assuming false PR possibilites and another supposing they're all true?

[MathBlade]

Math, can you give two reads lists?

One assuming false PR possibilites and another supposing they're all true?

The list assuming all PRs are true is literally Ari+Luke. Everyone else is a PR or confirmed.

Fake I already said flip Chaos and if town I don’t care game is on lock.

[Titus]

The odds of me generating a fake clear or getting no clears at all is non zero.

Almost every clear I'd generate, I'd have to rolefish for. I also have to act antitown to get any clears unless I can predict the scumkill. I have to block people

because I suspect they are PRs

or gamble on the nightkill or both. Most successful blockings reduce town power. I am the closest thing to a late game investigator and even then my "results" depend on people claiming and getting a guess to if I blocked them

probably best to not bring this up because reasons bc I caught onto it earlier but yes

This probably makes some sense given what you haven't given me shit for, given you've given me shit around everything else.

[Titus]

Math, can you give two reads lists?

One assuming false PR possibilites and another supposing they're all true?

The list assuming all PRs are true is literally Ari+Luke. Everyone else is a PR or confirmed.

Fake I already said flip Chaos and if town I don’t care game is on lock.

Fair on the first.

Let's change it to PRs can be false but Chaos is town.

[MathBlade]

If Chaos is town then only one scum has a gun which means max one scum in you and Gamma.
So you or Gamma have to be scum for power balance.

I would start there and find which.

[MathBlade]

Honestly I would want to see you 1v1 if Chaos is town but odds of that are nil prolly

[Aristeia]

if Chaos is town then Gamma is confirmed Town

[Aristeia]

Titus is town because she's the only claimed anti-killing role and we had 2 nights of no deaths.

[MathBlade]

if Chaos is town then Gamma is confirmed Town

If Chaos is town Gamma is confirmed to have a gun which is NAI

[Aristeia]

The only way Titus can be scum is if she nokilled twice and knew there was no town protective but it makes no sense because a claimed protective pretty much can't endgame?

[MathBlade]

Titus is town because she's the only claimed anti-killing role and we had 2 nights of no deaths.

Or she’s scum gambiting

The only two claimed players with guns are Titus and Gamma and Chaos said scum have a gun so I would look there