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[Dwlee99]

Datisi reads

[Green Cap Boys]

why do you expect me to have reads when i just popped in and obviously implied i haven't read shit

-D

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reads Datisi, reads.

[Bingle]

though i am kind of interested in why you plan on rereading rather than making me produce more content? i thought you townread or earlier contributions

-D

I haven't really been reading you critically for a while, so there's not really a lack of content to look at. I'm not really worried about prodding you to see what you say because of that, and in fact am more interested in what you get up to unprodded.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

votey 2.2.2.2.2 !

The Limit Does Not Exist (3):

Green Cap Boys, Aristeia, mastina

RCEnigma (3):

Dwlee99, The Limit Does Not Exist, NorwegianboyEE

Bingle (2):

Fairy Circle, T3

Fairy Circle (2):

RCEnigma, Bingle

not voting (0):

with 10 alive, it takes 6 to cause someone to fall into a swamp full of friendly bugs. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-08-29 21:20:00)

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[Green Cap Boys]

unprodded i wouldn't even post bc i'm feeling like absolute shit the past week and this game is draining

tldne still scum - yes i took a 10 second skim of the iso and saw none of what i was looking for

if i were a fool i'd look at post count and say "meh norwee prob town" but i don't know

for anything else i feel no motivation. maybe it's because my slot is still pretty widely townread but idk

maybe it's that most of the people in this playerlist aren't that easy of a read for me

pedit: oh my god aristeia hi!

-D

[Aristeia]

The Limit Does Not Exist (3): Green Cap Boys, Aristeia

[Green Cap Boys]

anyway, after staring at a wall for a few more minutes, i'm gonna go crash

part of why i don't feel like efforting is because i still think tldne is scum, and until something changes my mind there, what's the point when i'm voting there anyway

but considering my aristeia might get some life into the game which could motivate me, i'll try to at least look at the people being voted for

-D

[Aristeia]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I too can appreciate more anime.

[Aristeia]

happy scumday norweeb!

[mastina]

More over, why are you giving up on plurality elim?

Relying on plurality is how we got a Titus flip D1. A flip I very much did not approve of.

Forgive me for not having confidence in plurality serving us well D2 especially given that plurality is very likely the only way we'd end up with eliminations on slots like RCE, T3, Emperor, etc. today instead of TLDNE or Bingle.

What are you doing?

Trying to eliminate scum.

[mastina]

I also feel like a strong earlt game presence and then a tapering off could be scum indicative for the green bois.

Could be, but I've my own idea for why it isn't. Datisi for instance is...otherwise occupied and regardless of Datisi's alignment, I would expect that this game would not be at the top of his priority list right now. Given enough time, I'd expect this game to rise up in priority for him but right now I've good reason to believe he wouldn't be prioritizing here.

I dont see any scum motivation is confirming that we and only we shot st bingle if they are scum with bingle.

Counterpoint: I don't see any town motivation. The scum motive is to look town, but I don't see any town motive to

actually

do what they did.

[mastina]

I can kinda see what Mastina is saying now. But it took some time to translate it internally within myself to really understand what they were saying.
I get thr vibe that Bingle is playing very reactively and trying to do exactly what is required to avoid the lim. Rather than solving for real and of their own voalition.

That is a problem I often get; I make good points but it takes translation for people to understand that they were in fact good points.

Butyeah, I do not believe there's zero scum in {Bingle, TLDNE, Fairy Circle}.
It's not three scum in there, obviously, but beyond that I want to wait until D3 to give a full breakdown...ideally with the names in there mostly dead. Bingle and TLDNE are the two that I most strongly believe in being scum and are the two I am most pushing.

Limit is a pretty shit wagon, tbh. It gives no more info than Titus’ did yesterday.

To the contrary!

There's literally only three wagons which give us information:

The Limit Does Not Exist, Bingle, and sure I guess Fairy Circle.

Flips on any of those would give us boatloads of information regardless of the alignments within.

Literally any elimination outside of that? RCE, T3, Dwlee, Emperor, you name it?

That

would be a wagon giving no more info than Titus's did yesterday.

There's a damn good reason why I'm pushing the TLDNE/Bingle wagons so hard right now.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: TLDNE
I just want something to happen

[mastina]

Mind explaining why? I don’t see a particularly strong case to town or scum them.

I feel like the biggest thing on lilith is lack of presence

It's more than lack of presence.

I haven't read most (any) of the long posts. I won't have time to catch up fully until next week probably

Oh? Then why did you put so much time/effort into reading MY long posts on Bingle all of a sudden?

Could it be because you felt the need to protect him?

It's what they've done while present. For a player who had said they hadn't read the long posts, TLDNE seemed strangely knowledgeable about my push on Bingle and had a lot to say there, showing them to be weirdly informed on the subject beyond what they said.

Beyond that,

Mastina, sell me on LimitScum.

Don't really need to. It's mostly POE. I have townreads on most players in the game. I don't have a townread on TheLimitDoesNotExist. This, in spite of both heads being heads that I would expect to be able to generate townreads on. They're too reserved, too passive, too not-making-wavesey. They're doing basically nothing, and certainly nothing which looks town.

Does that make them lockscum? Where an absence of doing much of anything makes them be definitely scum? No, not on its own. But when you combine it with a combination of expecting them to radiate town + everyone else looking town + their defense of slots I am suspicious of + their lackluster content + other players I'd expect to be able to read them not having lock-solid townreads on them (basically, I would expect other players who're town to be able to locktown them if they were town and yet as far as I can tell that hasn't happened) all adds up to a lean scum read.

I have townreads on most players to reasonable strengths--TLDNE is not among them. While POE is not damning on its own in of itself, there's also the fact that in the entirety of their content, there is nothing that I can townread. Something_Smart is a slot that I would expect to be able to get a read on one way or another but his lack of content here makes it basically impossible to get a read on him one way or another, which is a red flag.

lilith is not a slot that I know much about, lacking much history there but for some reason I seem to recall hearing that lilith is very very easily obvtown when she is town, that she has a very easy time displaying herself to be town, and that is utterly absent from this game. Both to me, and largely, to others who can read her.

While being busy with other stuff can be understandable, it's not what they're not doing which bothers me; it's what they're doing when they're around. Which is to say, a lot of this:

but if you wanna go that route, fine. you feel flat as fuck and for someone who's supposed to be very easy to obvtown, it's a horrible look. i don't care you had the other game where you were in f3. i don't care about who has more or fewer posts, when most of your posts were either screaming at mastina, throwing a fit at anyone looking at you for acting scummy, or s_s throwing out unmemorable comments. the way that you're latching onto things like this and spewing ate while not actually offering content to solve looks bad.

but you're free to actually offer some content and lay out how this is apparently not all that different from us last game.

The little content they HAVE shown DOES have a huge amount of focus in areas that simply put: don't look like town areas for them to have focused on. There's very little in the way of gamesolving or trying to further the gamestate. There's a decent amount of defense of Bingle, which is mutual, as Bingle has also been defending TLDNE somewhat.

It's a bunch of things adding up.
POE and them being outside of it.
A lack of them looking town at all.
The content they post being lackluster when it is posted.
The content they post focusing on areas that don't look like areas town would focus on.
Associatives with Bingle.

Nothing on its own is damning, but it adds up to a pretty damn high likelihood that they're just scum.

[mastina]

Where is Mastina anyway.

Dealing with crippling depression and also getting a referral from my doctor, mostly.

Btw i don’t know if this has been brought up earlier. But if you have healing potions it might be wise to use them on slots that are likely nightkill targets for scum.

Healing potions on TLDNE or Bingle will be treated as a scumclaim tho.

Dead serious I don't care if I had you at GCB level of town in my readslist, healing either of those two slots is legitimately genuinely a scumclaim.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

yeah this is why I’m so done with this game. there’s zero chance I ever change your or gcb’s minds so I don’t even see the point. you guys are either scum or stuck so hard in your tunnel that nothing we do will change anything. then we’ll flip town and you’ll be like “wow why didn’t you try harder” and the answer will be, and has been, that you refuse to take your head out of your ass long enough to consider that you might be wrong. It’s so unpleasant to play with and I’m over it.

- lilith

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

dwlee has moved up in my reads I think.

- lilith

[T3]

VOTE: limit
die death die deatb die

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

yeah fucking vote us. I would love to not be in this game anymore.

- lilith

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

[T3]

You are sitting in my PoE practically begging to be limmed.

[Dwlee99]

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

[T3]

Don't use vibes to push people
no
just no