mini normal 2226; who won

[DkKoba]

I feel like I am at

Yeet Chaos. If red, yeet koba. If green, yeet Math.

OR

Yeet Math. If red, yeet NM. If green yeet chaos

I guess Dat's yeet flow chart works too, bet feels worse to me because of the 3 choices, NM feels the most likely to flip town

at least from my POV like if chaos is scum they're groupscum so shrug

[MathBlade]

Doesn’t matter

Assume gunsmith checks Gamma N1 forces Gamma claim D2
Gamma gets guilty or inno on someone
Assume Gamma gets miselimmed
It’s like never miselimming at all because 2 conf alignments

There is no way to not end the D1 with two conf alignments minimum

d1 we yeet datisi
n1 gamma checks ____
n1 titus blocks gamma
n1 chaos checks ____
n1 scum shoot chaos

d2 wake up 0 clears.

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

[MathBlade]

Math, I don't think you running through the scenarios is helping anything anymore

It’s more the principle at this point.

D1 realistically ends with 3-4 confs sure you can come up with scenarios with 2

But that’s literally unwinnable for scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm really feeling a connection with this song rn because of this game
(hint: if I'm feeling a connection to this song, it means BAD THINGS)

i was watching ace attorney videos today and

Spoiler: SoJ ending spoiler

breaking my personal oath to say you're probably the number one reason I'm feeling that song rn
that's the song I associate with the many-faced demon and my struggle to get over my feelings of failure regarding that person. My emotions are a sacred instrument, and to play them likely some fool bard is to turn oneself into a demon.

[MathBlade]

Go even further assume Titus and Chaos are town
Scum are penalized for miselimming them and have to elim or shoot them to win

[MathBlade]

The easiest way to tell of a setup is broken is to describe how scum wins.
Call it path to victory

In this setup proposed the path to victory relies on fake innos from gunsmith due to cops.
Scum lose if they shoot gunsmith
Scum try to elim gunsmith. Gunsmith says 1 gun in game
Scum lose because no fake innos

[Aristeia]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

[Gamma Emerald]

then I'm conftown from being roleblocked by scum?

[MathBlade]

then I'm conftown from being roleblocked by scum?

She’s saying Titus isn’t confirmed town
But she’s confirmed town on account of 1 scum from Chaos

[Lukewarm]

@Math

Jailkeeper does not have a gun

[DkKoba]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

i think titus' tone has been well out of her scumrange here

[MathBlade]

Because when he flips he flips informed so even if he doesn’t say what he’s informed about logical leap that he’s informed number of guns. Given OP says 3 scum have day chat less than 3 guns Titus claims gun role boom conf town

[Lukewarm]

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

[DkKoba]

as much as i was "team scum titus" last dayphase - that combined with the lack of kills 2 times in a row is just silly in a scum titus world.

[Aristeia]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

i think titus' tone has been well out of her scumrange here

I think Titus is very town. I am mostly rebutting Mathblade's theoretic mechspec that claims the game is unwinnable for scum as claimed so our PRs must be scum or whatever?

[MathBlade]

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Oh it changed….

Fine one conf in a very very convoluted scenario

[Lukewarm]

as much as i was "team scum titus" last dayphase - that combined with the lack of kills 2 times in a row is just silly in a scum titus world.

I don't think that they are currently arguing that Titus is scum. They are going over theoretical number of inno/guilty results

[DkKoba]

a gun claim doesnt mean they're claiming the truth tho LMFAO?

a jailkeeper *could* be bait to kill titus because of the chaos informed info because like I said - dayplay makes titus town.


wow isn't it great to change your theory based on the evidence instead of the other way around :3

[MathBlade]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

i think titus' tone has been well out of her scumrange here

I think Titus is very town. I am mostly rebutting Mathblade's theoretic mechspec that claims the game is unwinnable for scum as claimed so our PRs must be scum or whatever?

You have given one scenario where there is only one conf in a list a mile wide

That’s no where near probable

[DkKoba]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

i think titus' tone has been well out of her scumrange here

I think Titus is very town. I am mostly rebutting Mathblade's theoretic mechspec that claims the game is unwinnable for scum as claimed so our PRs must be scum or whatever?

I think its just that a good portion of this group has been solved in terms of alignment telling in the lategame and thats prob why it feels like an egregiously OP setup to a scum :3

[Aristeia]

then I'm conftown from being roleblocked by scum?

She’s saying Titus isn’t confirmed town
But she’s confirmed town on account of 1 scum from Chaos

In the hypothetical scenario that you outlined we don't know if Chaos will flip with the informed info.

And also there isn't a scum flip already so even if we did have the info Titus could still be a scum roleblocker.

[Lukewarm]

omg. it just keeps going

[MathBlade]

then I'm conftown from being roleblocked by scum?

She’s saying Titus isn’t confirmed town
But she’s confirmed town on account of 1 scum from Chaos

In the hypothetical scenario that you outlined we don't know if Chaos will flip with the informed info.

And also there isn't a scum flip already so even if we did have the info Titus could still be a scum roleblocker.

It’s a normal
If Chaos is town and informed
He must flip Informed gunsmith

[Aristeia]

You have given one scenario where there is only one conf in a list a mile wide

That’s no where near probable

I am giving a counter example because you are saying the game is unwinnable and the town is guranteed multiple conf town by D2 which is simply not true.

[DkKoba]

You have given one scenario where there is only one conf in a list a mile wide

That’s no where near probable

I am giving a counter example because you are saying the game is unwinnable and the town is guranteed multiple conf town by D2 which is simply not true.

?