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[Dwlee99]

You just moderated a game where I vibe solved not_mafia + deepwolf at one point

[Dwlee99]

And I know you read it cause you posted it in your mod PT!

[Dwlee99]

Individual reads:

Me
(for math)
Conftown people

Math/Kyo

Salsa/Marci

NM

Together reads: my gut is telling me NM + a deep wolf, but obviously this doesn't match with the individual reads in a quantifiable way. Might be as simple as NM + one of Marci/salsa. I don't really think that Marci and salsa are scum together though? Based on what I've seen?

Ouch tbh

[T3]

Still cringe.

[Dwlee99]

Cringe is losing

[Dwlee99]

The recently ended micro that we clutched my winning solve was basically vibe cause the scum were lurking and town were being scummy on purpose lol

[Dwlee99]

I don't know what it is but some games feel better to read on vibes and some on looking at other things. I mean, at the end of the day I think any reasoning on a slot's towniness comes down to whether the vibe feels like town, but just adding layers of abstraction that are meant to help you figure out that vibe.

This game with this playerlist has felt right to pure vibe rather than use abstractions, and I think I was right about that given my reads on ico/skitter.

[T3]

Okay VOTE: rce

[T3]

Limit is still scummier.

[T3]

VOTE: limit
NVM we have time.

[T3]

Aristeia is the anime girl's anime girl

[T3]

ANYWAYS
RCE, at least on a surface level sounds towny. Limit does not, and lillith's reaction to the tunnel felt forced and overblown.

[Dwlee99]

If Limit is scum I'll consider sheeping you

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Limit is scum I'll consider sheeping you

And likewise, if Mastina is flipped and is revealed to be mafia.
I’ll sheep you on voting Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nobody else tho

[RCEnigma]

ANYWAYS
RCE, at least on a surface level sounds towny. Limit does not, and lillith's reaction to the tunnel felt forced and overblown.

Why just on the surface?

Not that I want to be cased as scum but like, what am I doing if in scum under the surface?

I already don't think norwees reason for pushing me is very good and mostly just hangs on me defending a slot they thought was surefire scum. But I think the real reason it bugs me is that the impression is my scumplay would be to softball a fake read on Titus to tie me there when she was an easily pushable slot and then to death tunnel for two days straight.

In other news I don't know if the game just feels like walking through mud because it's slow or because I can only get certain slots to even entertain interacting with me.

[Momrangal]

i forgot the password guys dont hate me

but also I have computer!

VOTE: RCE

like, w/e.

i'll limit posting in strings for obv reasons but.. yeah...

RCE

are you reading?

Bingle was the first vote we threw down, and we made it clear it was Bingle vs you. we chose Bingle because we thought it would be the killing shot.

ive made all my stances clear on all my reads thus far

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already don't think norwees reason for pushing me is very good and mostly just hangs on me defending a slot they thought was surefire scum. But I think the real reason it bugs me is that the impression is my scumplay would be to softball a fake read on Titus to tie me there when she was an easily pushable slot and then to death tunnel for two days straight.

Scum wouldn’t want to push an easily pushable slot too hard because they know it’s flipping town and want to look good for tommorow. Which fits what you did.
I think it was TMI’ing that you knew it was town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina is different because they acted genuinely mad that we flipped town!Titus. Which feels a lot more genuine than your lame reaction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe you’re so bored and the game is a slog because you can’t scum hunt yourself.

[Fairy Circle]

[Adding to our ISO -F]

i forgot the password guys dont hate me

but also I have computer!

VOTE: RCE

like, w/e.

i'll limit posting in strings for obv reasons but.. yeah...

RCE

are you reading?

Bingle was the first vote we threw down, and we made it clear it was Bingle vs you. we chose Bingle because we thought it would be the killing shot.

ive made all my stances clear on all my reads thus far

[Fairy Circle]

Heads up, I am on my trippy ass painkillers rn. sanity is fleeting and I am posting

Okay then let's vote emperor or do something. Game is stalled and I don't agree with your premise that mastina has to be town here

Okay
So theoretically even though this is exactly mastina's town meta if mastina is scum tuneling town Bingle for no apparent reason... I actually don't know.

Metabad

we get it.
it can be, but not always. literally all I remember from you is "meta bad!" you're like a broken record/scratched CD/frozen youtube video

as much as I appreciate the defense on a personal level, I kind of feel like FC is white knighting us knowing that we're flipping town and the very likely plurality elim :/

although I don't really want to elim Bingle either

- lilith

Honestly I'm kinda hard TRing you rn but your defeatism and "oh woe is me" is making me wonder if I'm well wrong...

Objectively, I'm probably the best town elimination today.

Not sure if saying WIFOM to sound town as scum or if actually honestly thinking this.

Eh, check out betrayal.

I have no pots, I’m already presumably wounded, and my flip gives clarity to a bunch of interactions.

Oh you're definitely wounded, and if you don't die tonight you've been doctored.

While Flea does actively mess with their meta, my reasons to townread Flea are consistent across all of their towngames. Flea hasn't commented on my meta towncase, but I assume this isn't something Flea noticed.

You did what now? o.o

completely terrible

It isn't. It's weak, but I AM slightly more likely to effort as scum than as town, particularly given that I haven't had a scumgame that made sense to effort in in quite a while. It is 100% reasonable for mastina to see my behavior and go "Oh shit, is Bingle scum here?" I am objectively not an awful elimination choice.

More though, the reactions to the case are terrible. No one who has leant any support to the case has in any way shown an effort in actually reading me. Some of these (Norwee for example) have been up front about it. Waffley and unsure, but willing to trust the word of a townread.

Others (Mom) have been very vocal about how I'm obvious scum for no real reason.

WRT Fleameta, you're townreading faer for omgus tunneling you, when I don't really see an omgus tunnel. The admission that Flea engages in meta manipulation only strengthens my "Don't give a fuck" about your metaclear. ​Mastina locktowned faer in ODM early and accurately and has had literally the exact opposite reaction here. Their (collective) entire approach to hydra-ing gives the impression of not wanting to be held accountable for things.

Really? I've even said I'll take responsibility for my actions, my reads and the consequences. and yes while I actively screw with my Meta half the time I have literal entire brain shifts and my entire method of working changes.
I fully believed in my Titus TR and I keeping poking mom about that read being right I'm also confident in my TLDNE read and my mastina read.

This is getting really confusing.
Everyone is like, scumreading an different set of 3 people.

You say confusing, I say that means we're in a strange gamestate and the scum are likely deepwolfing.

I thought you knew me better t3

You're the guy who says metabad.

I thought you knew me better t3

You're the guy who says metabad.

Touché...

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Fairy Circle]

-Malefleacent

[T3]

ANYWAYS
RCE, at least on a surface level sounds towny. Limit does not, and lillith's reaction to the tunnel felt forced and overblown.

Why just on the surface?

Not that I want to be cased as scum but like, what am I doing if in scum under the surface?

I already don't think norwees reason for pushing me is very good and mostly just hangs on me defending a slot they thought was surefire scum. But I think the real reason it bugs me is that the impression is my scumplay would be to softball a fake read on Titus to tie me there when she was an easily pushable slot and then to death tunnel for two days straight.

In other news I don't know if the game just feels like walking through mud because it's slow or because I can only get certain slots to even entertain interacting with me.

There is nothing that makes you very scummy, or at least not more than limit.

[T3]

I looked at a few of your recent games to see how you respond to pressure and this is consistent with your townfame.