Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[House]

Enchant wasn't even on my radar... which isn't a great sign for them from my perspective.

And, they haven't posted for the last 12 pages... during "work hours", i get that (my posting is greatly restricted while i work), but it's pretty late now, yeah?

Sure, but I'm clarifying my stance about the specific timing of your two posts back then. Enchant may not have been on your radar because of their posts but the wagon forming

on them

was blatantly there.

Also I'm not really grokking the House-tw-Gamma interactions a few pages after that. Where's my morning coffee?

Yes, it was years ago, I just remember it was fun

-Harvey

I saw the vc. I just didn't care to dig into it at the time because i was supporting a townread.

[Harvey and Haley]

Curious comment, considering your clamming-up on the circumstances of Manatee.

Love the alliteration.

@House: Okay.

-Harvey

[House]

Harvey (and anyone else), i don't think anything productive will come of rehashing the me/Gamma drama wholesale, but if you have specific questions, I'll be happy to address them.

[the worst]

i co-sign #602, for what it's worth. there are some parts of that which we should probably just eat around.

[Harvey and Haley]

Oh, that's not a bad vote. But I think I'd rather go

VOTE: Harvey and Haley

For their early townlean on Thor when Thor wasn't doing anything but setup speccing.

Note that it wasn't simple speculation about the setup.
Thor was making alignment reads based on it - why can't that be considered alignment-indicative?

Harvey (and anyone else), i don't think anything productive will come of rehashing the me/Gamma drama wholesale, but if you have specific questions, I'll be happy to address them.

Uninterested unless it's still ongoing.

-Harvey

[Harvey and Haley]

I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

tw, I was actually expecting you to soul scumread me by now.

-Harvey

[House]

Note that it wasn't simple speculation about the setup.
Thor was making alignment reads based on it - why can't that be considered alignment-indicative?

What alignment reads did he make, exactly?

The only thing i found didn't match up with his stated reads or votes.

[Harvey and Haley]

roughly my fourth or fifth choice atm

Did you not say you had a shitty surface level townread on us before? What caused the demotion to 4th/5th choice of wagon?

What alignment reads did he make, exactly?

The only thing i found didn't match up with his stated reads or votes.

Sure, some examples:
98: 2 likely scum in group of 5
106: Titus town
228: Unlikely scum slots based on statistical pick history

If the response is that anyone can point these out, I'd argue that anyone could post anything - there's nothing specific to these that make them invalid as a basis for forming an early read.
Can you point out the contradiction between his setup-reasoned reads versus votes? That's more interesting to me.

-Harvey

[House]

Draft positions of 45 scum in 15 PYP games:

1st - xxxx
2nd - xxxxx
3rd - xxx
4th - xxxx
5th - xxxxxx
6th - xxx
7th - xxx
8th - xxx
9th - xxxxx
10th - xx
11th - xx
12th - x
13th - xx
14th - xx

(most of the credit goes to hoopla)

Positions 2nd, 5th, and 9th...

Miss Midnight 8
Harvey and Haley 69
Enchant 4

You're right, it wouldn't be fair for everyone else, I'd win it too easily

Town are better at making me smile or laugh, so I have my townreads now, Harvey/Harley

Miss Midnight
the worst
Bee

Little problem, there.

VOTE: Gamma

House, why did you move away from your main on Wake? I thought your playstyle there was quite smooth and buttery

More damning, as Gamma is not 2nd, 5th, or 9th. He's 12th. Also, this vote comes after his 2nd, 5th, or 9th declaration, as opposed to his townread of MM which came before that post.

Scum probably went low to get better roles to win, so I estimate 2 or 3 scum in these players:

Bee 5
the worst 3
Cat Scratch Fever 3
Enchant 4
House 4

Of the available wagons, I'm surprised he's not parked on Enchant with all his analysis pointing right at them.

[House]

I'm so gonna laugh if Thor & Enchant both flip red.

[the worst]

I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

tw, I was actually expecting you to soul scumread me by now.

-Harvey

any particular reason why?
guilty conscience, maybe~~~

[the worst]

roughly my fourth or fifth choice atm

Did you not say you had a shitty surface level townread on us before? What caused the demotion to 4th/5th choice of wagon?

ur still pretty close to null and wagoning you would do things, sure, but there's others i wanna wagon more.
my read on you hasn't really changed, i'm just a bad duck who would vote a nulltown read if the mood came upon me.

[Harvey and Haley]

Not sold on the contradictions from positions 2/5/9.

Thor did state it, but likely only as an observation of interest. Draft positions are heavily randomly determined, as opposed to number picks - so I doubt that Thor actually places any stock in that.

But I agree with the next part.

@Thor

, did you have stronger reasoning to vote Gamma than from your earlier likely-containing-scum pools?

-Harvey

[House]

i'm just a bad duck

With all that fur you have, it's no wonder that you're a bad duck.

[Harvey and Haley]

any particular reason why?

Yes, I made a resolution before joining the game that I'd not hopelessly refresh the page every minute and just appear twice a day for a while. I was expecting you would make a comment on my slot's lack of thread energy.

-Harvey

[House]

Yes, I made a resolution before joining the game that I'd not hopelessly refresh the page every minute and just appear twice a day for a while.

I hope you have better luck with your resolution than I'm having with mine.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Thor might be a good wagon. Thor ignoring my reachout is bugging me. He's a big stats guy...until asked to follow up on it.

Yeah it looks like filler

[the worst]

any particular reason why?

Yes, I made a resolution before joining the game that I'd not hopelessly refresh the page every minute and just appear twice a day for a while. I was expecting you would make a comment on my slot's lack of thread energy.

-Harvey

Ahahaha
It's been like a day
Your content is kinda like, about where I'd expect

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmhmmm. Nice try.

No, the nice try is to you for trying to bait me off Gamma.

If he isn't going to have actions taken against his ban baiting from above, I'm staying parked here.

Are you fucking serious? I wasn’t ban baiting, you ignorant clown! You said my read formation on you was suspicious, I replied saying when my ship comes in it’ll make more sense, and now you’ve got your panties in a twist. I’m half-inclined to think you’re scum for making such a big deal out of something that wasn’t even close to what you’re misrepresenting it as.

[House]

2300, bedtime for me.

I probably won't be back on until tomorrow evening. Try not to turbolim anyone.

[Gamma Emerald]

Try not to turbolim anyone.

Not even me, whom you’ve got a hate-boner for rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.

Oh yeah I wanted to reply to that
It’s kinda late for an RQS at this point, ngl I kinda think it might be legitimately scummy

There we go, I was wondering if the mere

mention

of RQS would be attacked as scummy without even actually doing it

@House: I acknowledge your comment on Manatee! My tiny concern was about how there was an Enchant counterwagon that formed just before that, and you made the Manatee vote without mentioning your approval of the Enchant wagon.

-Harvey

FYI I’m not the type to just blanket attack RQS, I’ve done it myself several times. The timing of your suggestion with no actual backbone to it felt like you were scum who didn’t feel like you had a good entrance available so you tried to float the RQS boat out

[Harvey and Haley]

it felt like you were scum who didn’t feel like you had a good entrance available so you tried to float the RQS boat out

That feels extremely hollow given I had plenty of other content by then (that was my 26th post) and around the same time too...?

-Harvey

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Oh, that's not a bad vote. But I think I'd rather go

VOTE: Harvey and Haley

For their early townlean on Thor when Thor wasn't doing anything but setup speccing.

Note that it wasn't simple speculation about the setup.
Thor was making alignment reads based on it - why can't that be considered alignment-indicative?

What alignment reads did he make, exactly?

The only thing i found didn't match up with his stated reads or votes.

Sure, some examples:
98: 2 likely scum in group of 5
106: Titus town
228: Unlikely scum slots based on statistical pick history

If the response is that anyone can point these out, I'd argue that anyone could post anything - there's nothing specific to these that make them invalid as a basis for forming an early read.
Can you point out the contradiction between his setup-reasoned reads versus votes? That's more interesting to me.

-Harvey

It's easy to conjecture about what numbers scum would pick, but it's not particularly helpful - and their conjectures aren't necessarily accurate. I've seen all 3 scum pick double digit numbers for the express purpose of avoiding number collision, which did end up working out to scum's benefit. This kind of setup spec (or draft spec, specifically) read more like busywork to me. And consequently, giving him a townread in 202 seemed premature.

[Gamma Emerald]

it felt like you were scum who didn’t feel like you had a good entrance available so you tried to float the RQS boat out

That feels extremely hollow given I had plenty of other content by then (that was my 26th post) and around the same time too...?

-Harvey

Has it all been the one head?