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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:41 am

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In post 797, House wrote:Not to mention, if you're willing to trust Gamma's read of me over Titus, who knows me 20x better than Gamma... well, piss off.
I don’t know if this is at me but my vote on you isn’t because of Gamma’s read...

It’s for stuff like this I guess? And you called votes on you lazy earlier too.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:44 am

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In post 792, Bee wrote:
In post 790, Thor Ragnarok wrote:House and I are both town in my opinion
Why?
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:44 am

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In post 800, Bee wrote:
In post 797, House wrote:Not to mention, if you're willing to trust Gamma's read of me over Titus, who knows me 20x better than Gamma... well, piss off.
I don’t know if this is at me but my vote on you isn’t because of Gamma’s read...

It’s for stuff like this I guess? And you called votes on you lazy earlier too.
Your excuse for voting me is even lazier.

It's not scum-indicative to get pissy about being voted for "ongoing games" and being unable to point out how it's a load of bullshit without getting banned.

That ruins the entire fucking game for me, and i have zero desire to effort when this kind of crap is allowed to happen.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:44 am

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Too suicidal with the way he acts to be scum
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:45 am

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I think he might be mad about that regardless and also he’s been kind of mad a lot of the game or at least irritated :<. Do you think that if he’s been able to sustain it it’s less likely to be fake?
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:45 am

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In post 802, House wrote:
In post 800, Bee wrote:
In post 797, House wrote:Not to mention, if you're willing to trust Gamma's read of me over Titus, who knows me 20x better than Gamma... well, piss off.
I don’t know if this is at me but my vote on you isn’t because of Gamma’s read...

It’s for stuff like this I guess? And you called votes on you lazy earlier too.
Your excuse for voting me is even lazier.

It's not scum-indicative to get pissy about being voted for "ongoing games" and being unable to point out how it's a load of bullshit without getting banned.

That ruins the entire fucking game for me, and i have zero desire to effort when this kind of crap is allowed to happen.
:/ You don’t have to make the game like this for other people though.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:46 am

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Whatever.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:46 am

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In post 798, Bee wrote:I don’t see scum!Gamma right now but why not wagon someone? Just because of the effort vs the other two?
Early game I like seeing fast pressure and wagon momentum, and House is a slot I'm fine with a wagon on currently.

Not a fan of his disengagement with the game after the Gamma spat, especially considering he scumreads his most popular counterwagon.

I'm disinclined towards breaking that momentum just to build a wagon on a slot I don't feel very strongly about, and that other players have shown a lack of interest in voting alongside.

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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:46 am

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@Harvey: I do have some data on that, will reveal later

@the worst: Usually 1 scum goes for a slighter larger number and 2 scum go low to "win" the draft.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:47 am

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In post 803, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Too suicidal with the way he acts to be scum
You seem to be an alt of an older (in MS years) player, surely you must have seen many players rage in games as scum, no?

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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:48 am

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In post 807, Harvey and Haley wrote:
In post 798, Bee wrote:I don’t see scum!Gamma right now but why not wagon someone? Just because of the effort vs the other two?
Early game I like seeing fast pressure and wagon momentum, and House is a slot I'm fine with a wagon on currently.

Not a fan of his disengagement with the game after the Gamma spat, especially considering he scumreads his most popular counterwagon.

I'm disinclined towards breaking that momentum just to build a wagon on a slot I don't feel very strongly about, and that other players have shown a lack of interest in voting alongside.

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I’m not a fan either but idk. I feel kind of shitty about the vote there right now.

VOTE: PenguinPower ?
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:48 am

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Also, Thor, would you be able to summarize the reasoning behind the wagon on you? And your thoughts on that?

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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:48 am

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(I know PP is fine for voting with other people but yeah.)
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:48 am

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In post 804, Bee wrote:I think he might be mad about that regardless and also he’s been kind of mad a lot of the game or at least irritated :<. Do you think that if he’s been able to sustain it it’s less likely to be fake?
He's much better at burning bridges that weren't there rather than building them, he's not giving much reason to anyone to not vote him which shows the lack of a scum motive
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:50 am

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In post 813, Thor Ragnarok wrote:
In post 804, Bee wrote:I think he might be mad about that regardless and also he’s been kind of mad a lot of the game or at least irritated :<. Do you think that if he’s been able to sustain it it’s less likely to be fake?
He's much better at burning bridges that weren't there rather than building them, he's not giving much reason to anyone to not vote him which shows the lack of a scum motive
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:51 am

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In post 809, Harvey and Haley wrote:
In post 803, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Too suicidal with the way he acts to be scum
You seem to be an alt of an older (in MS years) player, surely you must have seen many players rage in games as scum, no?

-Harvey
In post 811, Harvey and Haley wrote:Also, Thor, would you be able to summarize the reasoning behind the wagon on you? And your thoughts on that?

-Harvey
There was usually a good reason to channel it though

I dislike Miss Midnight the most, the worst critiquing my number analysis as being possibly malicious also makes me dislike him somewhat, that seems quite unreasonable to think. Nothing notable on the others
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:51 am

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In post 813, Thor Ragnarok wrote:
In post 804, Bee wrote:I think he might be mad about that regardless and also he’s been kind of mad a lot of the game or at least irritated :<. Do you think that if he’s been able to sustain it it’s less likely to be fake?
He's much better at burning bridges that weren't there rather than building them, he's not giving much reason to anyone to not vote him which shows the lack of a scum motive
IDK I go the opposite direction with this and think he’s burning bridges to say look how much I’m fighting and no one is on my side but I’ll let him be for now because I don’t want to get into it since he’s not going to move his vote. :/
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:53 am

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I have a suspicion on Thor's main/previous account, but i am not going to say.

If I'm right, it's pretty obvious, though.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:53 am

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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:54 am

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VOTE: Miss Midnight

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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:55 am

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In post 819, Bee wrote:VOTE: Miss Midnight

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Manatee or Enchant would be better votes if you're determined to let a player hide his lies behind a claim that can't be addressed without rulebreaking.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:56 am

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In post 815, Thor Ragnarok wrote: I dislike Miss Midnight the most, the worst critiquing my number analysis as being possibly malicious also makes me dislike him somewhat, that seems quite unreasonable to think. Nothing notable on the others
I'd like to talk about Miss Midnight in more detail.
the worst's critique is fair though - scum would have equal access to the data since it's public, and that taints reads based on historical statistics to some extent. So I can definitely see the perspective there.

However
I don't think draft picks factor in all that much in reality, so playing the WIFOM game by mucking up the picks has a small payoff compared to the roles you can achieve trying to get a high position. Rationally scum should try to score high *shrug* :P

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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:58 am

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In post 816, Bee wrote:IDK I go the opposite direction with this and think he’s burning bridges to say look how much I’m fighting and no one is on my side but I’ll let him be for now because I don’t want to get into it since he’s not going to move his vote. :/
Call the bluff IMO, see what happens as he gets closer to lim range - will he change his vote? Will other players suddenly attempt to push a counterwagon?

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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:59 am

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In post 822, Harvey and Haley wrote:
In post 816, Bee wrote:IDK I go the opposite direction with this and think he’s burning bridges to say look how much I’m fighting and no one is on my side but I’ll let him be for now because I don’t want to get into it since he’s not going to move his vote. :/
Call the bluff IMO, see what happens as he gets closer to lim range - will he change his vote? Will other players suddenly attempt to push a counterwagon?

-Harvey
Nope.

As I've already stated, i have zero desire to remain in a game where such dirty tactics are allowed.

Vote me, idgaf.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:00 am

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In post 820, House wrote:
In post 819, Bee wrote:VOTE: Miss Midnight

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Manatee or Enchant would be better votes if you're determined to let a player hide his lies behind a claim that can't be addressed without rulebreaking.
Look I’m sorry but I really don’t think Gamma pushes you by lying and having that be a defense instead of being able to say something? That doesn’t vibe with me at all. I really wish you would just... IDK. Sorry that this keeps coming up but I just can’t understand that being the angle. I’ll reread it when I’m home that entire interaction if you want but for right now I don’t see it like you do.
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