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[NorwegianboyEE]

Get RCE next.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

love this look for yall. really i do. mastina’s case on us was actually insane. yall do remember that she was using meta based on

hearsay

of my play and now we’re a policy elim so tomorrow she can be like “no wait! I didn’t say they had to be scum though!”

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i thought you were just scum when you said gg like that.
Are you claiming to not be?

[mastina]

love this look for yall. really i do. mastina’s case on us was actually insane. yall do remember that she was using meta based on

hearsay

of my play and now we’re a policy elim so tomorrow she can be like “no wait! I didn’t say they had to be scum though!”

I can say that now in fact.

I didn't say you have to be scum; I am fully aware that you could be town and I could be wrong.

I happen to think you are scum and I happen to believe that even if I am wrong you were the best possible mislim we could ever make if we were to mislim today.

Which is pretty damn close, admittedly.

But sure, I did technically not say you had to be scum, because you don't have to be.

I just think you are anyway.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Oh i thought you were just scum when you said gg like that.
Are you claiming to not be?

guess you have to wait and find out.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I am fully aware that you could be town and I could be wrong.

are you though?

[mastina]

love this look for yall. really i do. mastina’s case on us was actually insane. yall do remember that she was using meta based on

hearsay

of my play and now we’re a policy elim so tomorrow she can be like “no wait! I didn’t say they had to be scum though!”

I can say that now in fact.

I didn't say you have to be scum; I am fully aware that you could be town and I could be wrong.

I happen to think you are scum and I happen to believe that even if I am wrong you were the best possible mislim we could ever make if we were to mislim today.

Which is pretty damn close, admittedly.

But sure, I did technically not say you had to be scum, because you don't have to be.

I just think you are anyway.

Basically to put it a different way: We obviously should aim for scum, not for the least-damaging mislim.
Limit if they are town I truly believe would be the least-damaging mislim we could have, but I also happen to have campaigned for their elimination because I genuinely feel they are the slot with the highest odds of flipping scum, and as we should aim for flipping scum, Limit was who I was aiming to eliminate.

So while I may not have said Limit has to be scum.
The sentimentality carried behind "Limit has to be scum!" is more or less there, in that I think that Limit IS scum and if I were wrong (which I don't think I am but it always pays to at least acknowledge the theoretical situation where you COULD be wrong), Limit was the least-damaging mislim to make and best possible non-scum elimination that could happen.

But again to reiterate. I still think Limit is scum here.

We'll find out soon enough I suppose.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

no comment on using meta based on hearsay?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

also, the fuck do you think I’m posting here for if we’re scum?

[mastina]

I am fully aware that you could be town and I could be wrong.

are you though?

Yes, always. I am ALWAYS aware I could be wrong, but I actually downplay doubts I have most of the time deliberately so because I genuinely think that the town is stronger off if I do not honestly state my doubts in most cases.

Strong scumreads (and, heck, even strong townreads) are

never

as strong as I pretend they are. They are always weaker than they appear because I always have doubts and think that I could be wrong. I push them as being true anyway though because I legitimately feel that the approach does more good than harm, and worst comes to worst, I can always fall back to honesty later-on if need be.

There's nothing stopping me from, at any point, breaking off a tunnel and switching to being honest in my stances/beliefs/etc. And in some rare cases, I will do so. But I do so when there is a need for it, and today I deemed there to not be a need for it.

There will almost assuredly be a need for it on D3 regardless of your alignment, mind you. But I legit thought that getting a flip and rushing into D3 was the healthiest possible thing for the gamestate. It's a calculated risk, obviously. One I could be sorely mistaken about. And if I fuck things up I will own up to the mistake in having miscalculated, having made a mistake and having been in error, but I have to stick to what I feel is the best and I felt like pushing my scumread on you and pushing for your elimination was genuinely the best thing for the game.

[mastina]

no comment on using meta based on hearsay?

I don't see anything comment-worthy in that painting of my play other than that it's disingenuous but a disingenuous painting of it isn't comment-worthy from a slot that is the elimination.

also, the fuck do you think I’m posting here for if we’re scum?

Well, plurality eliminations being in effect does not guarantee that schadd_ locks the thread with an elimination when reaching the elimination threshold. I frankly won't believe you're dead until schadd_ declares you're dead.

So you posting could be out of hope that you're not actually eliminated.

You're not eliminated until the mod says you are so there's always the chance you're still alive. I realize that's my mentality, not necessarily the mentality of everyone, and that I project this mentality onto the expectation I have for all scum players, but the sentimentality remains true all the same.

After all, you're not spending your final moments giving final reads and final reasonings, are you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also like to play as if i’m town until the very final moment. Even if i know i am dead. Because i know that keeping the uncertainty alive makes it less easy for town to plan night actions and discuss the implications of the flip before the thread locks.
So i agree with Mastina’s policy.
Ain’t dead until they dead.
Of course sometimes it’s obvious what they are anyways.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

no one would listen so I don’t see the point. I’ve been calling gcb scum for weeks and no one has bothered to engage with that. also frankly I don’t really care whether town wins, because I’m feeling real spiteful about this whole game.

lilith is not a slot that I know much about, lacking much history there but for some reason I seem to recall hearing that lilith is very very easily obvtown when she is town, that she has a very easy time displaying herself to be town, and that is utterly absent from this game. Both to me, and largely, to others who can read her.

how is it disingenuous to say that you used meta based on hearsay? you were using this as a reason to scumread me when you have no idea yourself what my play does or doesn’t look like.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

also guess what, when people call me obvtown

I’m behaving exactly as I behaved this game.

which further cements scum!gcb to me because datisi should fucking know that. and is the reason you shouldn’t be using meta that you don’t even actually KNOW.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

everything about mastina’s case on us is designed to shift the blame away from her on our miselim. she was just using meta she heard from other people! it was the best miselim for town! and the rest of it was a nullcase. absolutely awful.

[Dwlee99]

I'm sorry for hammering you

[NorwegianboyEE]

K it’s prob town.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

first miselim since 2016. it’s a tragedy. glad to be finally out of this soul sucking game though.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I’d say good luck but I’m not really sure if I’d mean it.

[Dwlee99]

Part of my idea there was that you probably shouldn't live to xlo. I'm kinda annoyed that this game is going like this because it feels like there is so much stall and inertia that nothing can be done about and I feel like I've PoE'd decently but when it feels like the entire game is against what I'm solving this as it's hard to not just say fuck it we need a flip to reeval

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok you don’t need to compete for most toxic. We get it, you were town. We all dumb and suck etc etc

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

most people were fine, you included. I’m just so frustrated that any post I ever made was just automatically called scummy by datisi and mastina, and then expressing my frustration was called fake. what am I supposed to do with that?

[Green Cap Boys]

first miselim since 2016. it’s a tragedy. glad to be finally out of this soul sucking game though.

I’d say good luck but I’m not really sure if I’d mean it.

Wow damn and it's such a shame because you gave us so much

-R

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Part of my idea there was that you probably shouldn't live to xlo. I'm kinda annoyed that this game is going like this because it feels like there is so much stall and inertia that nothing can be done about and I feel like I've PoE'd decently but when it feels like the entire game is against what I'm solving this as it's hard to not just say fuck it we need a flip to reeval

I can’t even disagree, I was pretty sure we needed to die anyway.

[Green Cap Boys]

Been ignoring this game for the better part of a week because I hate it and don't care about the outcome whatsoever but Lol fuck off with this nonsense

-R