Going to continue with this. Titus doesnt seem town yet, tried to get a bit out of her earlier today when GMo was RTing with the fake roleclaim. I dont think I really know how to read her yet though as I've only been town with her once recently. I was scum with her once and scum against her once too, but have only had to read her once recently, and she was a claimed PR that was NKed early, so I didnt have to figure her out in that game either.
Finished reading these. I take Ythan out of poe toDay and would especially like to revisit if Kazyan flips scum and I'm still alive. Those posts in the early 600s where he randomly starts ISOing Kazyan look unnatural to me. If Kazyan is scum Ythan is a plausible partner.
Prefer to vote any of the other 4, in this order:
Kazyan (scummiest imo)
AliceK/DGB (not towny)
Titus (more proficient as town than AliceK/DGB, but also not towny)
Do you think the soft is scummy?
Yes, I don't think we should have any significant roles since we know it's 11:2
Mm that's an alright point. If this is what's happening I'd like Kazyan to claim while we still have time to talk about it
In post 1256, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Dwlee crumbed when he confirmed he hardclaimed he saw my post stating that my role cannot interfere with investigations
In post 1262, DrippingGoofball wrote:There has got to be a catch, you can't have an IC and a watcher, that pretty much equates one dead scum.
Unless the Mod is playing mind tricks, I would argue that the Scum very clearly have a Ninja. It’s the fundamental reason why the IC was NK’ed and not a different player - the Scum were completely unafraid of being caught by any sort of action-investigative role, and I’m guessing they deduced (clearly) that the Town don’t have a Jailkeeper in a game with an IC.
Since that dramatically reduces the effectiveness of a Watcher, then I’m willing to believe that the Backup Watcher is a real claim. It’s probably the only PR we have.
Also, I don’t understand the timing exactly. But I’ll read that part again.
There could be ninja and I also don't think everyone checked in yet tbf
Yeah, this is a case for a weak scumslip from Enchant.
Frankly I really don’t like this reaction. I find Enchant more likely to be Town than Scum after they expressed disgust at there potentially being a Watcher, and them possibly not planting themselves on the IC.
Btw just to make sure that I respond to everything - you asked me what I thought of your reasoning, and I said that I didn’t know what your reasoning was. Do you expect to ask about everyone’s reasoning for everything? I don’t have time for that haha
In post 1249, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay I thought that Kazyan was a restricted watcher but clearly that isn't the case if he is okay saying he wants to be eliminated. I'm a backup watcher and could have sworn that was what he was softing which is why I went along with it so hard but I think now it might be a red herring based on mod meta but I'm not sure what to make of what I thought was Kazyan's soft
For the record, I too thought Kazyan was softing a Watcher. At first I thought he was just softing
something
, then I realized there was the word "watch" there.
I also have some thoughts on Dwlee's claim, but considering Kazyan's request to Andres to talk about it, I'll keep my mouth shut until after that happens.
From Today, I'm getting some Townie pings from DGB, mainly its defense of Kazyan. I don't imagine Scum would swoop in and defend the suspected TPR. Unless they're partners, but then I don't imagine it would've been voting them yesterday. Though I am looking forward to seeing it do the ISOs.
Kyouko, did you change your mind on Kazyan in the meantime or do you just find Titus scummier?
I haven't changed my mind on Kazyan, but I dont see any reason to TR Titus yet and that pinged me. I'm worried she's taking a slightly slower approach to the game, trying to ease in a bit. I think also her assessment of Andres and GMo's fiasco yesterday was bad. Suggesting that Andre's was scum for wanting to vote within GMo and Titus because they were mechanically 1v1ed is what town does. 100% of the time. Yes, scum can do it too when they know both players are town, but town will
always
do it so it isn't ever a sound read. I think she's better than that.
She/They
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
Titus was on neither of the other 3 wagons
GrandpaMo was on neither of the other 3 wagons
Kayzan was on the Enchant wagon
Dwlee99 was on the GrandpaMo wagon
Enchant was on none of the other three wagons
Nathan was on the Alice and GrandpaMo one
Man thats weird, so little cross matching between the wagons
Ythan and Andres were on the Kayzan and Grandpamo ones.
I think gera is looking for overlaps between the wagons. If they're all town, then a person who appears on multiple wagons looks suspicious--Nathan, Kazyan, and Dwlee fit that criteria. But there's so little overlap that it suggests that we actually were pressuring scum at some point, right?
I didn't have time to expand on my thoughts, it's a bank holiday weekend here.
But yes, I was looking to see if anyone was on multiple wagons, usually where I look when I don't yet have any info to go on.
But it was weird how little there was. And the mini wagons that formed before the final Alice wagon just look a little....isolationist if that makes sense
Btw just to make sure that I respond to everything - you asked me what I thought of your reasoning, and I said that I didn’t know what your reasoning was. Do you expect to ask about everyone’s reasoning for everything? I don’t have time for that haha
I mean, I know one probably doesn't ask about literally
everything
. I guess I imagined it would've been a point of interest to you, since you originally voted Kazyan after I called them out, so I thought the person that first made you vote there changing their mind would've been something you'd ask about. Though writing this out, it doesn't actually seem scummy like I thought back then.
geraintm, I think I was on Kazyan's wagon too at one point.
Once again today begins this farce we call a trial.
