Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Thor Ragnarok]

I'm building a plan.

[Datisi]

vote count 1.18

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Gamma Emerald [3]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok

Miss Midnight [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, Harvey and Haley

Harvey and Haley [2]:

Flea The Magician, Gamma Emerald

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

ManateeGal [1]:

House

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

[Harvey and Haley]

Does Xtoxm like playing one alignment over the other?

Yes - town, although he has not liked playing as either for a while

-Harvey

[Harvey and Haley]

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.

Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.

pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald

Why is this pedit aligned to the right? I wasn't able to spot it easily.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-Harvey

[PenguinPower]

interesting wagon shift

[Thor Ragnarok]

You're an interesting wagon shift

[Gamma Emerald]

You'll have to excuse me if I eschew the typical style of a full spampost catch up, I think it might double the length of the thread. And that's if I could even get through it before passing out.

Also, yeah. That's how far behind I am, in case it wasn't clear. Back to it.

These feel mildly performative and are a waste of space

[PenguinPower]

You're an interesting wagon shift

[Gamma Emerald]

For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.

Why

was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?

[Titus]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

Town.

[Titus]

I like Titus' point about my interactions with Thor and Enchant.

What do you like about it? Why aren't you voting there then?

[Titus]

My head is killing me but I don't wanna be a prod-gainer.

Manatee not jumping on Midnight despite wanting to apply pressure and having a decent reason to do so from early game seems like it's a good thing unless they're S/S but I don't think Midnight advocates for a wagon on her partner like that.

Note to self: Verify this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Presumably then she thought I claimed that nobody had ever drawn a valuable conclusion from VCA and wanted to object to it.

I’m thinking S_S is town rn
This post probably isn’t relevant to that, I just needed something to pin my position in my reading

[Titus]

I think Thor knows @titus

Interesting that Gamma comments about his suspicion that Thor knows Titus here, but...

I think Thor might be a good wagon. Thor ignoring my reachout is bugging me. He's a big stats guy...until asked to follow up on it.

Yeah it looks like filler

... seems to miss that Titus is quite familiar with Thor here.

I'm not. I was inferring Thor is "a big stats guy" from heavy stat play.

[Titus]

how is that missing that Titus knows Thor?

You don't address her knowledge of his playstyle at all.

(Yes, they do know each other)

Great, on top of meta...meta that I'm inferred to know and expected to use...

[Gamma Emerald]

Why? I can pretty easily see town deciding between their scumleans by picking one that might get traction, and then documenting that decision

As I was saying earlier, it feels lazy and devoid of any further thought. There was nothing about the reasons others had suspected me. There was no summary of his own reasoning - he had expressed a dislike of my earlier attack on him, and adding that may have strengthened his attack.

It makes it look like he was seeking to leave a comfortable votepark, rather than actually threaten me.

-Harvey

The last line is true I guess, but that’s not scum-exclusive
The idea was to see who joined on and have that become the pressure I wanted to apply

[Gamma Emerald]

It makes it look like he was seeking to leave a comfortable votepark, rather than actually threaten me.

He may have been. Given the circumstances, that alone is not scum indicative.

I was already thinking a House was town but the fact he could have taken an easier stance here IMO cements that somewhat

[Harvey and Haley]

What do you like about it? Why aren't you voting there then?

I was not an active participant in the Enchant discussion (granted, a significant bit happened while I was asleep) and given I had mild interaction with him earlier plus my general thread presence otherwise it seemed like a good attack.

Why would I vote there? I know that any association argument would be inherently incorrect.

-Harvey

[Gamma Emerald]

He may have been. Given the circumstances, that alone is not scum indicative.

Sure.
Enchant also goes from "Not much" (344) to "Idk" (1009) to "Why not?" (1037)
Manatee goes from "Don't wanna weaken the wagon" (328) to "Manatee's handling of her wagon seems towny" (344) to "TR starting to wane" (1128).
Neither of these trajectories look any impressive either.

As I was saying earlier, it feels lazy and devoid of any further thought.

I mean he specifically referenced the existence of further thought... why not ask about his other reasons, instead of assuming he has none?

And I acknowledge that in my post. Two things: first, in that sentence, I meant thought regarding other players' suspicions on me; second, I knew he had other reasons for suspecting me - as I pointed out, my problem is that he didn't express them in that post, that addition alone, from his PoV could have strengthened the attack. Instead it just looks like he's lazily voteparking after seeing other people suspect me.

-Harvey

I thought of something.

@Harvey:

what games of mine do you primarily rely on when meta’ing me?

[Titus]

Presumably then she thought I claimed that nobody had ever drawn a valuable conclusion from VCA and wanted to object to it.

This.

I can't believe I just read like 5 posts to get to that conclusion.

[Titus]

We don't need an ironclad case D1 just >rand scum.

I'm not a fan of this statement.

Not that i disagree about not needing an ironclad case on d1, just that the way it's put across as an, "any lim'll do" kinda vibe.

That's true to a point. I have my preferences but any non townread lim will so.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not saying you have to wall (in fact, please don't), but I guess I expected you to distill it down to a couple of points and nip it in the bud or something.

This feels reasonable

[Gamma Emerald]

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.


Miss Midnight needs a good read over too when i'm sane.

What’s Anya’s relation to that hydra? It’s Auro and Xtoxm.

[Titus]

Enchant read it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.

I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.

Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?

[Gamma Emerald]

We don't need an ironclad case D1 just >rand scum.

I'm not a fan of this statement.

Not that i disagree about not needing an ironclad case on d1, just that the way it's put across as an, "any lim'll do" kinda vibe.

That's true to a point. I have my preferences but any non townread lim will so.

To add background, iirc she played this way D1 in mini normal 2226 (which just ended)